Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[Dethred]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

This is my point, if he went 2 seasons ago we wouldn't be the current holders of the Prem and CS. We also wouldn't have won the FA Cup. Get a grip.

I can only imagine if Inter had the same attitude. They'd have traded their Treble in for just another league title.

Were you on the City board in the mid 90's.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Which is why i said "newer" fans can't come in with the attitude of winning every game or were shit. I welcome all new fans, but only if they adopt the correct attitude. It would be the same if i saw a lad in the pub calling us shit after the draw with Arsenal.

How about those of us that look at the situation beyond the typical "its OK, we're better than in 1998" syndrome, and understand that there is a massive investment into the club that got us here....

And that entire investment is predicated on decent runs in the CL year in, year out. The investment model is built on pulling in similar money to that of Madrid, United, Chelsea, Barca, etc. That is not possible if we can't make it out of the group stages, and if we cannot begin to pull in similar money, then there will be two options to comply with Financial Fair Play:

1.) Make drastic changes to secure knockout-stage matches within a year or two.

2.) Stick with the current trajectory and have to stop buying players and even potentially sell players to even stay in Europe.

But none of you have even considered the ramifications of failure. You can't simply put two and two together and see why its such a huge issue that we're going to fail again this year (its going to happen, it just is. We'd have to win every single game from here on out, meaning that there would be a good chance of Madrid dropping out... not going to happen).

Winning the league again this year means jack shit for our future.

Just to make sure were on the same page here. Im arguing with somebody that would have had Mancini out before we won the FA Cup. Do you not understand my point?

 

[Blue Haze]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Said it last season. He will win us trophies, but like Inter, he won't last due to his failures in the CL.

And it's sad because I believe the players he wanted in the summer would have seen us easily qualify.

 

[goshogun52]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Which is why i said "newer" fans can't come in with the attitude of winning every game or were shit.

Come on, neither you nor I give a darn what "newer" fans think...! And what they think does not have an influence on the squad's performance.

I did edit this post. The forums purpose isn't to influence our clubs performance but too discuss it. At the same time i will voice my opinion when people slag the club, playing staff or fans off without justification. In this case, the playing staff.

-- Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:02 am --

Which is why i said "newer" fans can't come in with the attitude of winning every game or were shit. I welcome all new fans, but only if they adopt the correct attitude. It would be the same if i saw a lad in the pub calling us shit after the draw with Arsenal.

i do support the club.
i may have different opinions, but that does not mean my attitude is wrong.
i didn't leave comments here before so you don't know. I've been saying that he needs to go for 2 seasons already.

This is my point, if he went 2 seasons ago we wouldn't be the current holders of the Prem and CS. We also wouldn't have won the FA Cup. Get a grip.

Then others have the right to voice their opinions too
Don't say something like "change your attitude" or stuff

 

[Robert Jordan]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini was asking for reinforcements, if I remember correctly, loooooong before the start of the season. The man knew what is the level of team and the fact the last season win was to close for comfort. Not only he did not get his first choices but what players he got landed in the last day. Are they striking fear in the hear of the opponents? Don't think so.
In this case, why Mancini should take the fall?

 

[Blue Heaven]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Come on, neither you nor I give a darn what "newer" fans think...! And what they think does not have an influence on the squad's performance.

I did edit this post. The forums purpose isn't to influence our clubs performance but too discuss it. At the same time i will voice my opinion when people slag the club, playing staff or fans off without justification. In this case, the playing staff.

-- Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:02 am --

i do support the club.
i may have different opinions, but that does not mean my attitude is wrong.
i didn't leave comments here before so you don't know. I've been saying that he needs to go for 2 seasons already.

This is my point, if he went 2 seasons ago we wouldn't be the current holders of the Prem and CS. We also wouldn't have won the FA Cup. Get a grip.

Then others have the right to voice their opinions too
Don't say something like "change your attitude" or stuff

Check your mailbox, Goshogun52.

 

[lloydie]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

You need to stop making false assumptions about other posters and then using those assumptions as the basis for making the ultimate insult - calling someone a "Rag."

What assumptions from that post? Did random Japs follow us 13 years ago demanding a result against Grimsby?

If he's a fan now, the rest doesn't matter. By the way, in case you haven't realized it, we are now one of the best clubs in the world, and have many more fans worldwide than 13 years ago. There is a world outside of Manchester and Grimsby.

Grimsby you say? Where exactly is your IP?

And how long have you been writing about football?

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini was asking for reinforcements, if I remember correctly, loooooong before the start of the season. The man knew what is the level of team and the fact the last season win was to close for comfort. Not only he did not get his first choices but what players he got landed in the last day. Are they striking fear in the hear of the opponents? Don't think so.
In this case, why Mancini should take the fall?

I agree and disagree. I disagree because even with what we have we should be playing at a better standard in the CL. I mean Ajax had Poulsen and Babel in the team, not one of their players except Eriksen might oust his equivalent in our team. But Ajax have an ideology and culture built up over decades, we don't. I agree that Mancini wasn't backed like he probably expected and if he had been and gotten the players he wanted (Van Persie, Hazard, Martinez or De Rossi) then even if we underperformed we'd have the sort of players who can bail your arse out of jail with one kick of the ball as Van Persie has repeatedly already this season and Hazard is capable of. I think the club let Mancini down a bit but Mancini also needs to seriously look at his European tactics, IIRC he played a similar system at Inter and it didn't work. I guess his attempt at the 3-5-2 is him doing just that but it's failing badly so far.

 

[lloydie]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I did edit this post. The forums purpose isn't to influence our clubs performance but too discuss it. At the same time i will voice my opinion when people slag the club, playing staff or fans off without justification. In this case, the playing staff.

-- Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:02 am --



This is my point, if he went 2 seasons ago we wouldn't be the current holders of the Prem and CS. We also wouldn't have won the FA Cup. Get a grip.

Then others have the right to voice their opinions too
Don't say something like "change your attitude" or stuff

Check your mailbox, Goshogun52.

Sniff!<br /><br />-- Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:21 am --<br /><br />

This is my point, if he went 2 seasons ago we wouldn't be the current holders of the Prem and CS. We also wouldn't have won the FA Cup. Get a grip.

I can only imagine if Inter had the same attitude. They'd have traded their Treble in for just another league title.

Were you on the City board in the mid 90's.

You are a rag. Confession will be good for you.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

I'm very critical of Mancini but it would be madness fire him now.
Firing him should come into question only if we dont win any trophies this year. But still the title from last year and his 5 year contract probably gives him one blank year chance.

Also a good indicator is which way he takes the team. CL place, FA-Cup, PL title. What is next? Some CL success should come in the line (not CL trophy but some serious fight for it 1/4 finals, 1/2 finals).
He spent 50m for 4-5 new players what will change from last year.

If he wins the league again he has to stay that is clear.

If he doesnt win it he will probably get one more year to prove himself. Of course Guordiola will want to come back and this Barca guy CEO around I wouldnt cry a lot to get in a new manager. We would improve a lot with Guardiola compared to Mancini.
(But personally I rate Mourinho higher. Klopp is another option for me. But there arent many manager that I would fire Mancini for.)

So we dont win anything this year, no cups, no league, Mancini stays and starts with a third CL fiasco with a third death group.
In CL he is very bad, wouldnt surprise me to go out from a Barca/Bayern, City, Sahtar/Juve/Zenit, Zagreb group.

What a pressure will be on him in the league that year? So huge...

If we win the league we are going exactly the place where Moratti found himself with Mancini league title is OK but what about CL fiasco's?

But it is maybe a way too optimistic thing that we win the league every year but fail in Europe. it was very close last year and we played better football in the first months and had a better defence last year.
Also United improved a lot with RVP, and Chelsea is clearly a factor this year.

I'd say firing him shouldn't even come into question then, either. We are still dealing with the fallout from Hughes, and Mancini hasn't been able to build exactly as he wants. If by the end of the 5 yrs we are still struggling, then that is different, but I don't think that will happen, given time.

We all know we won't be laying out millions every transfer window, and we all know about the plans around the stadium.

In simple terms, too many observers are putting emphasis on immediate trophies, when this is not what matters. The barometer will be in 10 years from now. When hopefully we have bagged a few. If we haven't fluked it to the final of the chumps league by then it won't be the end of the world, especially if we have a few premier league trophys to cry into. I'd rather twat the best in England over 38 games than get lucky by one goal on the continent. IMHO.

 

[Freestyler]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Great manager, but in Europe tactically inept. We'll never win anything in Europe under Mancini, i hope every year we'll do something but deep down i know we won't.

Handed the game on a plate to Ajax tonight the second half, i never thought i'd see the day a Man City player stands there, actually asking and wondering what position he should be in. Clichy and Kompany went from Premiership defenders to sunday league footballers in the space of 2 minutes, because the set up mancini changed to baffled everyone. Brought Tevez on 15 minutes later than he should have been on...

Changed the formation 3 times in 15 minutes, it's bad even when Richards admitted it without really saying it, that the players don't like the formation. It doesn't work and it fails (3-5-2 used 7 times, ultimitely failed 7 times) Ajax played counter attack when we bossed the game for a short while, mancini moved to a 3-5-2 which is open to counter attacks, shocking management. Sooner or later Mancini will lose the dressing room, and this is why he's got to react now.

I said after last seasons run in, he learnt nothing as the games went on. I had hopes for him this CL season ...Against Dortmund and Madrid once again he learnt nothing, tonight he learnt nothing. Realistically cut it out with the 'its only our second season' bullshit. mancini has been in the CL for years on end, failed everytime. Without Joe Hart performing our results could have been:

Madrid 11-2 City
City 3-10 Dortmund
Ajax 6-2 City

We've gone backwards and we've not improved, were not competing. Were getting humiliated every game and we've got away with absolute fucking murder. Mancini has made the same mistake 3 times, but because he says 'its my fault' that makes it alrite? it doesn't. I'll fix it he keeps saying, if anything he's making it worse.

Mancini won't get sacked at City, but imo he will walk season after next. he can't take us any further. You can all lie to yourself about it, but the fact is we have a good enough team to compete and play in the CL and instead were becoming a laughing stock.

I like Mancini, i don't want him to go. But the point is he'll never take us anywhere in Europe, too many mistakes have cost him. Not the odd one here and there, it's every single game he does it. The players can take some blame, but tonight was a farce and it was worse than Dortmund.

Not an overreaction, just the truth. Mancini is good, but not the best.

 

[Eags]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Come on Blue Heaven....what is it, why are you so sensitive...???

Why are you defending the random japanese/yank rag who has wanted our manager out for the last 2 years, or in other words... our most successful period for donkeys...??

Whilst I appreciate that we will no doubt attract new fans, new fans tend to become fans when they like what they see.....goshogun doesn't seem the type....he seems to despise everything other than the CL...very international raggish behaviour if you ask me, ill informed un educated arrogant bullshit, its what we hate about rags....right...??

He's entitled to his opinion of course but thats the problem with opinions, every pricks got one ...

As for you "offering out" Barcon....well.....it certainly put a smile on my face on a night where a smile has been sadly missing.....bare knuckle as well...tell me....do you drag those knuckles when you walk from your bedroom to mummys bedroom in the middle of the night..??

I think Barcon could be right, are you a ginger..??, if so I wish I'd of known, I could've probably applied for funding for taking you on....

Damaged individual.....hahahahha

If only you knew the half of it.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini was asking for reinforcements, if I remember correctly, loooooong before the start of the season. The man knew what is the level of team and the fact the last season win was to close for comfort. Not only he did not get his first choices but what players he got landed in the last day. Are they striking fear in the hear of the opponents? Don't think so.
In this case, why Mancini should take the fall?

Look, I hope that Mancio rights the ship and goes on to great success for our club. But if he doesn't, don't be surprised if BOTH Mancini and Marwood go, replaced by Guardiola and Begiristain, respectively. With Ferran Soriano as CEO, it's entirely possible that Marwood will be the first to exit, so that FS can bring in Txiki, his old compatriot at Barca.

Either way, with CL qualification out of the group now a distant mathematical possibility, it would be better to finish fourth in the group and not have the horrible deadweight of Thursday evening fixtures in the dreaded Eurodisney League sapping the squad. I'd rather we be able to concentrate on winning the league again, and making a deep run in the FA Cup. If we win the Prem again, there is NO way Mancio will be sacked, IMHO, but if we don't repeat, and don't win the FA Cup, I think it is certain that the good Sheik will take a long look at whether or not to bring Mancio back.

One more thing - maybe Mancio will leave the club at season's end because HE decides to. If the Italy job comes open (unlikely), or another big club in Serie A needs a manager, especially Juve, then he may decide he doesn't want the rest of the money in his contract as much as he wants to return home. One thing most of us can agree on, I think, is that our club's manager position is maybe the most stressful and difficult in the world, because of expectations, hatred from the media, resentment from other clubs and now, FFP.

 

[glen quagmire]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Hahahahahaha! Taken us as far as he can? You mean tge FA cup and the premier league title? Fucking lol, over reactors are great aren't they?

 

[Yaya_Tony]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini was asking for reinforcements, if I remember correctly, loooooong before the start of the season. The man knew what is the level of team and the fact the last season win was to close for comfort. Not only he did not get his first choices but what players he got landed in the last day. Are they striking fear in the hear of the opponents? Don't think so.
In this case, why Mancini should take the fall?

Look, I hope that Mancio rights the ship and goes on to great success for our club. But if he doesn't, don't be surprised if BOTH Mancini and Marwood go, replaced by Guardiola and Begiristain, respectively. With Ferran Soriano as CEO, it's entirely possible that Marwood will be the first to exit, so that FS can bring in Txiki, his old compatriot at Barca.

Either way, with CL qualification out of the group now a distant mathematical possibility, it would be better to finish fourth in the group and not have the horrible deadweight of Thursday evening fixtures in the dreaded Eurodisney League sapping the squad. I'd rather we be able to concentrate on winning the league again, and making a deep run in the FA Cup. If we win the Prem again, there is NO way Mancio will be sacked, IMHO, but if we don't repeat, and don't win the FA Cup, I think it is certain that the good Sheik will take a long look at whether or not to bring Mancio back.

One more thing - maybe Mancio will leave the club at season's end because HE decides to. If the Italy job comes open (unlikely), or another big club in Serie A needs a manager, especially Juve, then he may decide he doesn't want the rest of the money in his contract as much as he wants to return home. One thing most of us can agree on, I think, is that our club's manager position is maybe the most stressful and difficult in the world, because of expectations, hatred from the media, resentment from other clubs and now, FFP.

The UEFA coefficient is still important, so we will go for it until the end, I think.

Personally I doubt that Mancini will walk away from us at the end of the season.

It is spelt "Sheikh".

 

[Freestyler]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Hahahahahaha! Taken us as far as he can? You mean tge FA cup and the premier league title? Fucking lol, over reactors are great aren't they?

As in he might not be able to do it again, we only just won the league. Only just beat stoke, which we could have lost.

The owners want the CL, can mancini win it for us? probably not.... therefore he can't take us any further.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Hahahahahaha! Taken us as far as he can? You mean tge FA cup and the premier league title? Fucking lol, over reactors are great aren't they?

Let's be realistic here mate, we didn't exactly romp the league title last year did we? Had the other lot not capitulated, we'd have a different manager by now.

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Cost to sack Mancini would be approximately £35million I believe (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/roberto-mancini-beats-alex-ferguson-again-as-he-signs-deal-worth-375m-at-manchester-city-7924914.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 24914.html</a>), we won't even spend that on a player anymore. Some people are living in cuckoo land I think, get behind the manager because he's here to stay.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

Mancini was asking for reinforcements, if I remember correctly, loooooong before the start of the season. The man knew what is the level of team and the fact the last season win was to close for comfort. Not only he did not get his first choices but what players he got landed in the last day. Are they striking fear in the hear of the opponents? Don't think so.
In this case, why Mancini should take the fall?

Look, I hope that Mancio rights the ship and goes on to great success for our club. But if he doesn't, don't be surprised if BOTH Mancini and Marwood go, replaced by Guardiola and Begiristain, respectively. With Ferran Soriano as CEO, it's entirely possible that Marwood will be the first to exit, so that FS can bring in Txiki, his old compatriot at Barca.

Either way, with CL qualification out of the group now a distant mathematical possibility, it would be better to finish fourth in the group and not have the horrible deadweight of Thursday evening fixtures in the dreaded Eurodisney League sapping the squad. I'd rather we be able to concentrate on winning the league again, and making a deep run in the FA Cup. If we win the Prem again, there is NO way Mancio will be sacked, IMHO, but if we don't repeat, and don't win the FA Cup, I think it is certain that the good Sheik will take a long look at whether or not to bring Mancio back.

One more thing - maybe Mancio will leave the club at season's end because HE decides to. If the Italy job comes open (unlikely), or another big club in Serie A needs a manager, especially Juve, then he may decide he doesn't want the rest of the money in his contract as much as he wants to return home. One thing most of us can agree on, I think, is that our club's manager position is maybe the most stressful and difficult in the world, because of expectations, hatred from the media, resentment from other clubs and now, FFP.

The UEFA coefficient is still important, so we will go for it until the end, I think.

Personally I doubt that Mancini will walk away from us at the end of the season.

It is spelt "Sheikh".

Fair point about the UEFA coefficient. However, "sheik" is an acceptable spelling - look it up! It's just like "spelled" and "spelt."

 

[solley attwell]

Re: Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the clubs

bring back FRANK CLARK