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Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club
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moomba said:BillyShears said:We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.
Do you hold the players accountable in anyway for our performances in Amsterdam? Or is it all down to Mancini?
Absolutely all down to Mancini. We came out in the second half much improved on the way we started the first, and Ajax scored their goal from a set piece against the run of play. Mancini immediately subbed Lescott for Kolarov in his fury, completely disjointed the back four in the process, and Ajax scored a third within 5 minutes thus killing the game.
BillyShears said:Absolutely all down to Mancini. We came out in the second half much improved on the way we started the first, and Ajax scored their goal from a set piece against the run of play. Mancini immediately subbed Lescott for Kolarov in his fury, completely disjointed the back four in the process, and Ajax scored a third within 5 minutes thus killing the game.
It's no surprise to me that you're not happy with him then. The way it seems anything good is down to reasons other than the manager, anything bad is entirely down to the manager.
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moomba said:BillyShears said:Absolutely all down to Mancini. We came out in the second half much improved on the way we started the first, and Ajax scored their goal from a set piece against the run of play. Mancini immediately subbed Lescott for Kolarov in his fury, completely disjointed the back four in the process, and Ajax scored a third within 5 minutes thus killing the game.
It's no surprise to me that you're not happy with him then. The way I see it anything good is down to reasons other than the manager, anything bad is entirely down to the manager.
Sure, if your reasoning is so facile that you ignore the clear argument I've made above for why he's responsible for the result in Ajax.
BillyShears said:Sure, if your reasoning is so facile that you ignore the clear argument I've made above for why he's responsible for the result in Ajax.
I understand your argument. I just think it's self-serving, and not a particularly sound way of assessing things.
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moomba said:BillyShears said:Sure, if your reasoning is so facile that you ignore the clear argument I've made above for why he's responsible for the result in Ajax.
I understand your argument. I just think it's a self serving one.
It may well be self serving, it's also perfectly correct in that particular instance.
BillyShears said:It may well be self serving, it's also perfectly correct in that particular instance.
For you maybe. I think it's a pretty flawed argument to totally ignore the role others played in that particular result.
But I guess neither of us will convince each other one way or the other.
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If we got Moooo in and made no progress in next years CL would you want him gone?BillyShears said:GStar said:Your last line is a bit of a disgrace, you lot 'sacking Mancini' have been shown up for two years now.
You know me well enough to know it matters not one jot how many times I get called a disgrace or have my City credentials questioned on the forum.
Equally if you want to point to Europe and fail to acknowledge the anomalies of the groups we've been unfortunate to be drawn into, as a counter balance to our below par/poor performances... then you might want to re-address your opinions. Because it's quite apparent that those thinking along those lines have let their agenda get in the way of their common sense.
The arguments about our tough groups have been done to death. But if you want to go down that road we can do. We were beaten by inferior teams in Ajax and Napoli which ultimately cost us in the CL. We were beaten by inferior teams in Kiev and Lisbon which ultimately cost us in the Europa League. The hardening of my stance on Mancini has come from seeing him be tactically outwitted by the likes of Frank De Boer. We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.
With respect, don't lecture me about agendas. I've got none, except wanting what's best for City. I don't think Mancini is the best manager for the job. He's as destructive as he is constructive both as a coach with his players, and as a manager dealing with everyone else at the club.
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moomba said:BillyShears said:We embarrassed ourselves in Amsterdam in a game which was absolutely crucial to our hopes.
Do you hold the players accountable in anyway for our performances in Amsterdam? Or is it all down to Mancini?
both but more Mancini, Europe is to much for him, im not a negative blue who wants us to fail but its just from what i see imo he does things they beggar belief, last season i think it was thought the best 2 full backs at the time were Richards and Clichy but in europe he played Zaba and Kolorov ? then fxxks about with best defence in prem for last 2 years bringing in Maicon and nasty v Madrid this year, plays Dzeko over Tevez v Mertasacker this year, and plays TWO holding midfield players at home v reading i could go on.... but sorry ive seen to many of these to change my mind just cos peple say " look we just beat Norwich, in your face"
GStar
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BillyShears said:With respect, don't lecture me about agendas. I've got none, except wanting what's best for City. I don't think Mancini is the best manager for the job. He's as destructive as he is constructive both as a coach with his players, and as a manager dealing with everyone else at the club.
There's no lecturing, but openly hoping our manager gets sacked, and basing that mostly on an under performance in the CL, for me, is a pretty weak foundation.
I'd probably agree that, performance wise, conduct wise and attitude wise, i've been left frustrated and on occasions let down by Mancini, but i can't really put together a logical argument that says he should be sacked.
What i think we as a club have done, is put Mancini in a position where he must progress from the group stages no matter what, come next season's CL. It would have been interesting to see how we would have faired these past two years had the draw been a little more kind.
That doesn't excuse some of our European performances, but nor does it form a sound logic for his dismissal... Mancini obviously isn't as destructive as he constructive, the football club is hardly going backwards.
The thing is people like yourself have openly wanted Mancini replaced for two years, but again, the argument isn't there for it. You might not agree with him at all times (i know i don't) but he's taken the club forward... how people can continue to argue against our manager whilst we keep going forward is beyond me.
As a final point, i not sure there's many suitable candidates to take over at our club, i think any replacement would come with a great deal of risk.