Is the England national team good or bad for City players?

Its a convenient stick for the press to beat our lads with, so no, its doesnt benefit City players at all IMO. They will be all over Stones like a rash after last night despite him being comfortably one of the best 2 centre backs in the league.
 
Jim White slagging Raz off for diving this morning. It’s like I watch a different game some times. His standing leg got cleared out by the defender!
 
Let's be honest, if Stones hadn't made the mistake last night we wouldn't be asking this. It was a mistake, but those mistakes will happen if you play out from the back. He's made one mistake this season - one bad pass in about 3000. I can live with that. Again, it shows how good City are that we've probably made over 50,000 (I have no idea) passes and we've not made clangers!

Anway, I don't doubt for one second that City would beat this England team 9 times out of 10. We know that players like Phillips, Pope etc wouldn't get into City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester or United's teams.

However, what I do like about international football is exactly this: for every Foden, Sterling, Kane and Stones there's a Pope, Phillips and Rice who aren't top class players. Part of the puzzle is how to make it work. And plenty of teams and managers make very good teams from their parts.

Teams like Greece, Denmark, Turkey, South Korea don't have great players generally, but Greece won the Euros and Turkey and South Korea have got to the WC semis. Portugal had Ronaldo, but not too much else when they won the Euros. Croatia got to a WC final. It shows that if your coach is skilled they can take a collection of players and make them into a unit. This is something we almost managed in the last WC and whilst I don't want Southgate at City he can take some credit for doing better than most of his predecessors - some of whom are/were very well regarded such as Sven, Capello, KK etc.

So, does all this benefit City? I think it's an honour to play for your country still. I think it does. For me, it's like playing in the CL - the great players and teams win club honours, European honours and international honours.

The players will come up against different styles of play in different stadiums around the world. Playing good teams like Belgium, Italy, Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, Holland, Portugal, Croatia etc you WILL be learning new systems of play. You will be up against great players, good coaches. Our players will benefit from that. Even playing Iceland and Greece etc you will have to learn how to unpick locked defences.

For City, it probably allows us to "speak" to other players too and get scouting reports from them. I'd be amazed if no one had asked Bernardo and Cancelo about Dias for example. Do you reckon Aguero has spoken to Messi? Of course. Does Jesus chat to Neymar? Of course. Can Jesus tell you about the players from Chile, Uruguay and Peru - yep, he's played against them!

Of course, playing against a passionate Turkey team with the atmosphere their fans create for example will help them learn how to cope under pressure. If you can handle yourself in the big arenas, going to Old Trafford and Anfield isn't too bad.

They will also benefit personally from prestige - their transfer value will increase. They will also benefit financially from sponsorship deals too - won't mean much to us, but to them it will do.

So, yes I do think it benefits the club and players :)
 
Jim White slagging Raz off for diving this morning. It’s like I watch a different game some times. His standing leg got cleared out by the defender!
There's a perfectly good angle from behind that shows the defender going through Sterling's back foot.
Its available to anybody who wishes to find it.
Anybody claiming it was a dive after watching said angle is a dickhead.
 
I agree with all that except that his first touch was bad so he wasn’t entirely blameless. He knocked it too far away from himself and had to rush so all of his, admittedly reduced, options vanished.

It was his second touch! First touch was fine, but he thought he had a bit more time to then play a pass, but the Poles were pressing really well. The real issue was Pope's pass though. He had the view, he was facing out and seeing the high press coming, yet his pass to Stones made him have his back to it. Stones had taken a look to see his options before he got the ball, took a touch to try and face the right way and then was greeted with onrushing opposition players, took a second poor touch and that was that.

Watch it again, and you'll see how poor Pope's pass was. Stones should have done better, definitely, and is ultimately to blame still.

But I think it's just a case of him realising he plays with a shite keeper for England. Ederson would have taken a touch to bring the player onto him, before picking a pass and playing it so they were facing the right direction and could just hoof it if they needed to. Stones' only real option from the ball he got was take a touch and boot it. But hard to make that call when you're facing the wrong way!
 
GK is the weakest position in the England squad. Also the automatic lock that Rice and Mount seem to have acquired on their starting places seems misplaced by Southgate. Including Phillips sacrifices attacking options such as Foden inside with Sancho or Hudson-Odoi out wide right. Not sure how Lingard is anywhere near the national squad either. Won't happen but I'd love to see England without Kane and see how much more effective we'd be without a rigid centre forward like him.
 
England are being managed to way city are managed especially last night... putting lots of belief in John stones has paid back, no subs just let the players on the field redeem themselves, that's a very pep thing. It's like someone read Pep's book.

As far as player development - try telling our players they should not play for their country. And they'll become heroes of they become international winners.
 
the start of the mistake in the Poland goal was way before stones got the ball, it was a terrible idea to pass back to the goalie from not far off half way when there was clearly polish players building up to press, the pass to the keeper wasn't the best. The keepers "put you in the shit" pass while polish players press further to stones went from bad to worse. It was a bad touch from stones but the situation should & could have been avoided. My thoughts where wouldn't happen under pep.

as for city players playing for England, does no favours, I rarely watch the England games, lost interest in very early 2000.
 

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