SiMCFC
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Pellegrini doesn't want him, I've posted the same thing 3/4 times before, straight from the horses mouth, sometimes in football trust is worth more than anything and this is one of those cases.
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SiMCFC said:
Sorry fella but if isco was available and wanted to come then tixiki would take him no questions as would manuel. I also find it hard to believe the manager would bad mouth to our fans to be honest.
SiMCFC
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That is fine mate but he said it, there was also a mod from here stood with me when he said it, not sure if he will back me up but it was the first time round and he basically lied to Manuel. If he comes to this club I would hazard a guess Pellegrini won't be here if/when it happens, trust really means a lot in these situations.
As a side, I would love him to sign but never over Pellegrini being here!
As a side, I would love him to sign but never over Pellegrini being here!
If he came available, and then picks up the phone, calls Pelegrini saying "coach, I wronged you and for that I am deeply sorry, and I'll run through a wall for you to make it up." I'm absolutely certain Pelegrini will reconsider his position.pudge said:
And if I had wheels, I'd be a wagon.Dax777 said:
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pudge said:
Just to back this up - Ive heard this too from a pretty decent source. Isco apparently gave Pellegrini his word, then went back on it. As a result, we wont be going back there at all.
Depends on what you have on your wheels. This whole giving your word bull annoys me. Players shouldn't have to do that. All sides should show more class at it. I'd rather Pelegrini had told him, "hey son, I'd love to have you as one of the fulcrum of my squad when I move to City, but Id understand if you make a different choice. And Isco should have responded "Coach, I've played for you and trust you, so this will carry some weight in my decision making, but if I make a different decision, I want to take this opportunity to thank you for all the work you done to make me who I am." Simples!pudge said:
No one makes a commitment and no one is trying to unduly influence the other. Personally, I think isco made the right decision. Real was always the right choice. At best we were always going to be 2nd choice. I mean, he is Spanish, with an opportunity to join the Best club perhaps in history, and an opportunity to play with one of the 2 best players of this generation, in the Spanish capital.
If Pelegrini or any City fan thought Pele relationship was strong enough to stop him from not only declining the best club "perhaps ever", but also leave his home country, for a country with a language he didn't speakw, a weather a little colder than he liked, and a style of football quite different from what he has always played, then Pelegrini or any such City fan were grossly overrating the coach player relationship.
That said, if he wants to leave Real in the Summer, we should be all in. :)
The problem being the reported angst among the top brass here is because Isco DID give his word that he would sign for City only to renege on his promise.Dax777 said:
Nobody held a gun to his head and "made him give his word" that he would sign, he simply went back on it. Was it premeditated? I doubt it but it's the principle. I doubt those in charge of the club approve of being messed around.
Had he waited and weighed up all his options and then made the choice to go to Madrid nobody could blame him, however, as has been widely reported he didn't do that.
It's not that he simply chose Real over ourselves rather he chose City then fucked off to Madrid. Whether it was the right career move for him is irrelevant to those he spurned. The trust he may once have had with Pellegrini is gone, once bitten twice shy; If the club did go in for him again what's to stop him doing the same thing again?
He's burned his bridges and there's more evidence to support the idea that he's had his chance to that of him possibly getting another.
Also, Madrid have absolutely no need (nor desire I imagine) to sell him and I doubt Isco would need to sell him self down the phone to someone.
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The thing is, football is a business. When you buy a player, the transfer fee isn't just some made up amount of Monopoly money that's used to show on paper who is most expensive, it's actual cash being transferred between clubs. It's all very well saying that one man should respect the wishes of another man and that everyone should be telling each other "well I'd really like this transfer to go through but what's most important is that you do what is right for you". That's not how it works. There may be some friendships and sentimentalities, but people want what is in their best interests, and if a club were to base all of its transfers on being nice to everyone then it would end up never signing anyone.
Doing things like speaking privately to a player and getting their word is important because transfers ultimately are a "first over the finishing line" job. You may have everything in place, but until you've signed on the dotted line another club can undercut you and steal your place, just like Real did to City. Therefore you have to use every tool in your arsenal to stay ahead of the game. If that means signing a pre-contract which binds a player's hands and stops them from talking to other clubs, you sign a pre-contract. If that means signing a youth player so that in exchange, you get first option on the player you actually wanted all along but couldn't sign right now, you sign that youth player. If that means phoning a player up because he's been like a son to you and asking him to ignore all other clubs even though he has a right to do so, you call that player. If you don't exploit your natural advantages, like relationships already formed, you're going to suffer. We tried to do this, and we thought we had it all lined up, and it still wasn't enough. It just goes to show that you can never have enough advantages over other clubs in the transfer market, and you should utilise every one that you can.
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Yep, good points Pudge, if you're not a man of your word, you'll probably never truly understand what giving it actually means, I think Pellegrini IS a man of his word, an honourable man, but, having said that, I don't think he is an unreasonable man, if Isco were to speak to Pelle direct , and fully explain to him (assuming this move ever has a chance), I don't think he'd turn his back on Isco.
I actually feel a little for Isco here, if the involvement his father had in his decision is true, it put him in a very very difficult position, he was what 21-22 at the time ? I think it's fair to say most people (footballers especially) around that age aren't particularly good at dealing with conflict and decision making that well and the aftermath, I'm not sure what contact (if any) Isco had with MP afterwards, I suspect out of embarrassment or even shame he probably just stuck his head in the sand and said nothing, or maybe I give him too much credit and he didn't give a rats shit, but Pellegrini is a wise head, deep down I think he'll know and understand how this one unfolded, it's whether Isco has the balls to speak to him personally and offer his apologies, which, in my opinion he should do in time regardless.
City_Sean
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If Reus signs for Madrid which he's expected too. Then surely Isco would be on the market. He'd be exceptional for us and provide a better balance to the side.
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Gareth Barry Manilow said:RandomJ said:
good point, its worth adding that Isco is Spanish though, whereas DiMaria probably takes up a foreign spot in the CL squad. Making him even more valuable.
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is that him that rips blues off selling tickets ,that amrik bloke ?Gareth Barry Manilow said:RandomJ said:
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Lord BLue said:Gareth Barry Manilow said:RandomJ said:
good point, its worth adding that Isco is Spanish though, whereas DiMaria probably takes up a foreign spot in the CL squad. Making him even more valuable.
And wasn't he sold to balance the books after they bought Bale?
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BayernMan said:
We should set up a counter with Isco shirts sold/Potential Isco shirt sales, once it goes above 90% we know he's available.