Big Joe Corrigan
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Did this really warrant a new thread? It’s been discussed to death in the UK far right trouble thread.
Yeah, bit of a shitty thread title that, mate.Please remove my name from the thread title.
The clear definition of Zionism was not relevant to the point I made on the other thread and a discussion about its definition is not something I wish to participate in because it’s been done before and it will end up going round in circles.
Humans are inherently lazy and I think a lot on social media use the term Zionism meaning anti the Israeli government, rather than typing out anti-Israeli government every time in discussions.
Did this really warrant a new thread? It’s been discussed to death in the UK far right trouble thread.
Is there any other country in the world where one has to be so specific about being against a particular government rather than its people.Humans are inherently lazy and I think a lot on social media use the term Zionism meaning anti the Israeli government, rather than typing out anti-Israeli government every time in discussions.
There are some that use the term nefariously, but it’d be hard to put a percentage to that.
There probably needs to be another term coined to mean anti-Israeli government to remove the need for this debate to be had perpetually.
Same here.Yeah I understand both views but tend to side with West Dids here. I’m a Zionist in that I believe in Israel’s right to exist but I hate their government and believe Palestine should have its own state.
And that’s the issue. The need to be specific and peoples’ laziness.Is there any other country in the world where one has to be so specific about being against a particular government rather than its people.
History and its baggage.
Its not really hard to just say the Istaeli government are shit. I feel some like the controversy.
On bluemoon what am I thinking? I retract that last sentence:-)
Zionism is a wide movement that covers the whole spectrum of politics and religion. At it's core is the definition posted above. The origin of Zionism was the late 19th century, before the establishment of the state of Israel, when a very significant number of Jews lived in the Russian 'Pale of Settlement', which covered what's now Western Russia, through Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Moldova, Lithuania, etc. They weren't allowed to live outside this area and were increasingly subject to antisemitism including violent pogroms. That's why there was mass migration in the late91th and early 20th centuries, which was greeted in the UK in an even more vehement fashion that the 'Stop The Boats' rhetoric, and led to the Aliens Act of 1905.A matter of contention was generated on the thread "Uk far right trouble" - the thread about riots in the UK on a unrelated topic
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UK far right trouble July/August 24
It’s a shame Frothy’s frothings have been removed. The responses to them were a great example of where the majority of this forum is at on this subject.forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk
West Didsblue contentious argument
My main counterargument to that principle:
Hence my argument is that zionism is not restricted solely to the belief that the Jewish people should have "a homeland", its also an ideoligy that is used for the expansionism of the Jewish state.
Feel free to discuss