It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back...

[Ancient Citizen]

Vote Tory if you want Pensioners stripped of their winter fuel allowance.
Vote Tory if you want the systematic abuse of people with disabilities.
Vote Tory if you want DWP to keep making those who have serious illnesses ( including heart problems and terminal cancer) to be forced to work
Vote Tory is you want child poverty to keep rising as Theresa May takes away free school meals for primary school kids
Vote Tory if you want school budgets cut further
Vote Tory is you want to see the systematic dismantling of our NHS ready to be sold off, like our railways, Royal Mail etc..
Vote Tory if you want Nurse to be forced to use food banks.
Vote Tory if you want food prices, inflation to carry on rising
Vote Tory if you want Tax breaks for the wealthy, while our poorest struggle to survive.
Vote Tory if you want workers rights stripped further back, as more people are forced to work zero hour contracts, and forced to sign up to freelance contracts so employers can dodge paying holidays and sick pay

Is that Strong and stable leadership to you? As to me it's the actions of a dictatorship asset stripping our establishments, pushing people into poverty, despair, and suicide?

Do we need a revolution? More like a revolution of thought, we are quick enough to jump on the anti City propaganda that propagates the media, why are so many accepting of the anti working class propaganda?

You've said 'Vote Tory' 9 times there. Looks like your message is getting through.

 

[SWP's back]

You've said 'Vote Tory' 9 times there. Looks like your message is getting through.

It amazes me that lefties are against means testing winter fuel payments. If Corbyn had suggested it then they'd defend it to the hilt.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It amazes me that lefties are against means testing winter fuel payments. If Corbyn had suggested it then they'd defend it to the hilt.

Exactly, why on earth is anyone against this? It's totally ridiculous giving Bruce Forsyth and Vanessa Redgrave £200 every year,
yet pensioners relying solely on the state pension are not affected, which should satisfy any socialists.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Exactly, why on earth is anyone against this? It's totally ridiculous giving Bruce Forsyth and Vanessa Redgrave £200 every year,
yet pensioners relying solely on the state pension are not affected, which should satisfy any socialists.

That's not quite true..................if you have savings you're fucked too

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Have you seen the size of some of the people using them?

Possibly the most vital basic element of preventing the masses rising is ensuring they are fed. Capitalism has learned this lesson from history and in modern times has provided a means to deliver high-calorie food, with little nutritional value, at cheap prices to avoid this scenario. A conscious act of supreme self-preservation for those at the top to keep the wider population well fed and less inclined to revolt. Food banks represent a ghost in the machine (and a complete distraction) to this construct.

 

[urban genie]

It amazes me that lefties are against means testing winter fuel payments. If Corbyn had suggested it then they'd defend it to the hilt.

Back to the GE thread with this debate methinks, this ones for planning the revelution.

But I would get rid of winter fuels payments by renationalising the energy companies and offer affordable gas and electric so they ain't needed.

 

[Bigga]

A quote from over a century ago doesn't cast any meaningful light on this topic, not least because since it was made there hasn't been a whiff of revolution in this country, principally because living standards have hugely and increasingly improved in that time. The quote also predates widespread social security and free at the point of use healthcare, which renders much of its content to be anachronistic and anomalous in the context of modern society.

I, completely, disagree.

That quote is all about context and our incremental increase in social mobility and standing are still eclipsed by the 0.10% - 10% of the wealthy still holding all the power. If you earn minimum wage, pay rent and bills, are you middle class?

What, because affording a mobile phone or a smart TV makes you middle class? Do these items become 'affordable' over time by becoming cheaper?

Does having these things exclude you from having to turn to a food bank?

Here's an interesting, but basic social test to take...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

 

[BigBluey]

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

 

[SWP's back]

Does having these things exclude you from having to turn to a food bank?

Erm. Yes.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I, completely, disagree.

That quote is all about context and our incremental increase in social mobility and standing are still eclipsed by the 0.10% - 10% of the wealthy still holding all the power. If you earn minimum wage, pay rent and bills, are you middle class?

What, because affording a mobile phone or a smart TV makes you middle class? Do these items become 'affordable' over time by becoming cheaper?

Does having these things exclude you from having to turn to a food bank?

Here's an interesting, but basic social test to take...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

Well that survey is bollocks because according to that I'm supposedly part of the 'elite' that engages in high culture such as visiting museums and art galleries! That doesn't describe me or take into account that a have a circle of friends from hugely different backgrounds.

In answer to your question about what makes someone middle class, I would say home ownership was the most accurate barmoter, something that has grown enormously in recent decades.

I accept that the gap between the top and bottom is as wide as ever, and I don't see that as a good thing, my point is that the position of those at the top has been made more secure by increases in living standards across the wider population. This seems manifest to me. If people are well fed, clothed and sheltered they will put up with inequality much more readily than if they are not.