It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

alexmcity said:
They'd prefer to sell him to United or Chelsea or Bayern or Barcelona or Juventus..., not to (Madrid and) City, though. They must be absolutely desperate to get rid in order to think, 'well, it makes sense to sell to City, even if he wins them CLs and makes them look like the more successful project'.

They may want to sell Neymar, but I doubt they are absolutely desperate to the extent that they don't care about the implications for their ambitions in the CL and their standing in comparison to City. From their perspective, we are the least preferable destination for Neymar (if he still is as good as we believe).

Time will tell.
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I think that's nonsense to be honest. I can't imagine Neymar signing for Bayern going on to win the CL and PSG thinking well at least it isn't City.
 
Paulmcfc2703 said:
I think that's nonsense to be honest. I can't imagine Neymar signing for Bayern going on to win the CL and PSG thinking well at least it isn't City.
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You are a bit naive then. Read a bit more about our owners and their owners, and try to understand how both clubs view each other. Of course, they'd prefer Bayern or Chelsea to win the CL ahead of us. A Lewandowski-less Bayern and a Chelsea team in transition are hopefully (!) not on the level of Pep and Haaland City. You are conflating different aspects and levels.
 
alexmcity said:
You are a bit naive then. Read a bit more about our owners and their owners, and try to understand how both clubs view each other. Of course, they'd prefer Bayern or Chelsea to win the CL ahead of us. A Lewandowski-less Bayern and a Chelsea team in transition are not on the level of Pep and Haaland City anyway. You are conflating different aspects and levels.
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Sounds juicy send me the quotes.
 
JWCH-99 said:
Looks like barca have agreed deal for Lewandowski and Kounde close also. I'm sorry but how the fudk do they have the money to do these deals plus raphina. But, also worried me that the narrative behind barca having the money to do the bernardo deal if Frenkie leaves looks possible- considering they are buying these 3 players without selling him.
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Maybe I don't understand the intricacies of finances but Barca's maneuvering in the market makes 0 logic to me.

They need to sell FDJ cuz they are skint. They had to sell their TV rights to tide them over the present. They deferred wage payments not just to FDJ apparently but to the rest of the Barca players too.
Yet somehow, in the same breath, they are signing players like Lewandowski and Raphinha, like money's not really an issue.
Wouldn't it be better if they forgo such signings to alleviate their financial issues?

Just feels like Barca is unable to accept they are no longer the club they once was. Sure, maybe in name they can attract star players but they no longer have the financial muscle to compete with the others.
 
Akira said:
Maybe I don't understand the intricacies of finances but Barca's maneuvering in the market makes 0 logic to me.

They need to sell FDJ cuz they are skint. They had to sell their TV rights to tide them over the present. They deferred wage payments not just to FDJ apparently but to the rest of the Barca players too.
Yet somehow, in the same breath, they are signing players like Lewandowski and Raphinha, like money's not really an issue.
Wouldn't it be better if they forgo such signings to alleviate their financial issues?

Just feels like Barca is unable to accept they are no longer the club they once was. Sure, maybe in name they can attract star players but they no longer have the financial muscle to compete with the others.
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Politics. They elect their club presidents so short term popularity will always win over long term probity and prudence. Hence Laporta has decided to gamble, mortgaged their future in the hopes of one last death rattle
 
Akira said:
Maybe I don't understand the intricacies of finances but Barca's maneuvering in the market makes 0 logic to me.

They need to sell FDJ cuz they are skint. They had to sell their TV rights to tide them over the present. They deferred wage payments not just to FDJ apparently but to the rest of the Barca players too.
Yet somehow, in the same breath, they are signing players like Lewandowski and Raphinha, like money's not really an issue.
Wouldn't it be better if they forgo such signings to alleviate their financial issues?

Just feels like Barca is unable to accept they are no longer the club they once was. Sure, maybe in name they can attract star players but they no longer have the financial muscle to compete with the others.
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Well, with them signing Lewandowski, Raphinha & Kounde, its quite obvious they are not selling FDJ because they are skint. They could easily afford to keep him and not just sign them other players. They just dont think he is worth the money and would prefer to spend them on someone else, so they try to force him out:)
 
Vester said:
Well, with them signing Lewandowski, Raphinha & Kounde, its quite obvious they are not selling FDJ because they are skint. They could easily afford to keep him and not just sign them other players. They just dont think he is worth the money and would prefer to spend them on someone else, so they try to force him out:)
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If they can sell off more assets for quick cash, they can make this season work.. knowing barca they'll prob do that and claim everythign is fine.

Look forward to Soriano rocking up in 2025 and adding them to the CFG for 25m
 
Akira said:
Maybe I don't understand the intricacies of finances but Barca's maneuvering in the market makes 0 logic to me.

They need to sell FDJ cuz they are skint. They had to sell their TV rights to tide them over the present. They deferred wage payments not just to FDJ apparently but to the rest of the Barca players too.
Yet somehow, in the same breath, they are signing players like Lewandowski and Raphinha, like money's not really an issue.
Wouldn't it be better if they forgo such signings to alleviate their financial issues?

Just feels like Barca is unable to accept they are no longer the club they once was. Sure, maybe in name they can attract star players but they no longer have the financial muscle to compete with the others.
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I still find it strange that FFP does not require that you pay your staff what you are contractually obliged to do? Alas I am a FOC and nothing makes sense in the world any more!
 
Akira said:
Maybe I don't understand the intricacies of finances but Barca's maneuvering in the market makes 0 logic to me.

They need to sell FDJ cuz they are skint. They had to sell their TV rights to tide them over the present. They deferred wage payments not just to FDJ apparently but to the rest of the Barca players too.
Yet somehow, in the same breath, they are signing players like Lewandowski and Raphinha, like money's not really an issue.
Wouldn't it be better if they forgo such signings to alleviate their financial issues?

Just feels like Barca is unable to accept they are no longer the club they once was. Sure, maybe in name they can attract star players but they no longer have the financial muscle to compete with the others.
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They earn more revenue than City, so I don't think you can write them off just yet.

Their problems are debt, a huge wage bill, and covid. But probably the most impact has been the rules that La Liga brought in which meant that they had to reduce their wage bill by a ridiculous amount.

Mortgaging off part of their future tv rights, rather than taking a couple of years to reset, is foolish, but they normally generate so much revenue (in the last full pre-Covid year, they earned €840m compared to our €610) that they'd still be able to compete at the very top.

If anything, I wonder if realising that players still want to come to them when they're not able to pay the very highest wages, will be a bit of a wake up call, and they'll start to get more value for money.
 
Guys, Barca aren't skint they've raised about €600m in revenue by extremely riskily selling their rights and essentially gambling on their future. They have loads of debt but are "cash rich" at this present moment, albeit with huge liabilities.

Fees aren't the issue for them at this present time, the problem they have with players salaries is they have to come under a cap to meet la liga rules which is why they're signing £100-150k salary players and trying to move on £400-500k players like FDJ.

Massively risky strategy but, to my understanding, that's the financials behind it
 
Eoiyflem said:
Guys, Barca aren't skint they've raised about €600m in revenue by extremely riskily selling their rights and essentially gambling on their future.

Fees aren't the issue for them at this present time, the problem they have with players salaries is they have to come under a cap to meet la liga rules which is why they're signing £100-150k salary players and trying to move on £400-500k players like FDJ.

Massively risky strategy but, to my understanding, that's the financials behind it
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Who’s wages have they actually lost ? Before signing Raphinia etc what do there ins and outs look like
 
WRicko said:
Who’s wages have they actually lost ? Before signing Raphinia etc what do there ins and outs look like
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Alves is gone, aguero, coutinho, they need rid of FDJ to be able to register the new signings from what I've read.

I'm unsure what the implications of the FDJ back-pay are though with regard to their wage bill for this season
 
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