Not sure if anything you've quoted is untrue? He's a bit of a laughing stock in the eyes of many and even though he's nowhere near as bad as some would have you believe he's also nowhere near as good as one or two on here like to think.
I wouldn't be unhappy to see him stay but if Madrid offered anything upwards of 30m I'd snap their hands off.
The conversation was about if other clubs would be willing to pay big money for him and if he was worth the same as Van Dijk.
I said no, one primary reason being his reputation since coming here has (1) gone downhill quickly. No longer the La liga TOTY highly praised CB chased by several clubs, he's now 2 (2) regarded as an awful signing and a very average player prone to dropping in a howler. Whether that's true isn't actually relevant as we all know public opinion and hype isn't always fair.
The clown I replied to has refused to accept that his reputation in this country is not good, despite it being obvious to anyone who watches or listens to any football media.
So he's started this little argument because...well actually who knows why.
(1) You said his reputation was "in the gutter" and when I pulled you up to explain, you introduced these imaginary friends (TV, Radio, non City fans - still LMFAO) that agreed with you. I have no issue with you not liking him, but making shit up just negates any argument. You believe he is shit, well he isn't.
(2) By whom exactly and by that I mean by whom that matters.
As for calling me a clown - grow up
If you are looking as a gauge to what MNF,Garth fucking Crooks,5 Live and other media outlets think of our players and staff you are well and truly pissing in the wind,as not many if any have a good word to say about any of them.
This is City fans talking to other City fans,and although common ground won't always be shared,I don't feel any of our own players are a laughing stock,as other fans/media will say.
I don't even put Sterling into that kind of category,and that is a big statement coming from me
I'm not sure why you don't follow it as it's pretty straight forward. Certain players are better in certain systems and I think Otamendi comes under this category. The way we set up isn't going to get the best out of a player like Otamendi, we are far too open and allow opposition too much space in the final third which has left us exposed on far too many occasions.He's nowhere near as good but you think the back to back winners of the CL and current Spanish Champions would buy him?
Just to clarify, he might well be good enough for Real Madrid but he's not good enough for City? I just don't follow this logic, at all.
The discussion is about public perception outside City fans, so it doesn't matter if you think the media is bias or not.
Otamendi worth as much as VVD? Pack it in!
He can pass, but he's not a ball playing defender in the mold of Stones or Laporte. He can have good games, but he's not a leader. He can win headers, but he's struggled against the more physical centre forwards we've faced and he very rarely scores.
Basically he's good but he's not great. VVD is arguably better at all of these things and over the same two seasons Otamendi has been around is widely perceived to be a better player, thus he is worth far more money. We already ready have one hit-and-miss centre back in Johnny Rocks, we simply can't afford to have another and challenge for major honours across the board.
Plus Otamendi is already 29 years old and has another 3 years on his contract, it's likely Pep already doesn't trust him, frankly if we can offload him to a team that will suit his style more it would be best for both parties.
And as for pulling Madrid's pants down... They're not signing him to be the first name on a team sheet they're signing him to replace Pepe. £25 million and upwards would be superb business.
Go figure.