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[domalino]

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My own personal opinion is that 18/19 is way to early to judge a player. So these 40/50m purchases IMO aren't the answer to creating a 'future dream team'.

23/24 is a much better age to sign these youngsters for me. That's the age i would prefer we focused on.

Sorry, but that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

Tielemans has played 4 full seasons of football. He's played 3 seasons in the Champions League. If 180 professional games isn't enough for the world's best coaches and scouts to figure out he's good enough than the game is gone. If nothing else the fact Monaco are desperate to sign him should tell you everything you need to know when half of Europe wants to buy their starting XI.

You look at Gabriel Jesus and you know immediately that he's good enough.


Anyway you're going to be disappointed, Pep's made it incredibly clear that he likes working with very young players and he's become the most successful coach in the world by doing that, he's not going to change any time soon, he'll always like buying young even if he brings in a couple of mid twenties players.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

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Sorry, but that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

Tielemans has played 4 full seasons of football. He's played 3 seasons in the Champions League. If 180 professional games isn't enough for the world's best coaches and scouts to figure out he's good enough than the game is gone. If nothing else the fact Monaco are desperate to sign him should tell you everything you need to know when half of Europe wants to buy their starting XI.

You look at Gabriel Jesus and you know immediately that he's good enough.


Anyway you're going to be disappointed, Pep's made it incredibly clear that he likes working with very young players and he's become the most successful coach in the world by doing that, he's not going to change any time soon, he'll always like buying young even if he brings in a couple of mid twenties players.

when this lad came through he had everything but size, there were bids and he rejected them, for me that was a mistake. he has not improved since and others have overtaken him.as for bids for him they are usually mid table teams now

 

[GX Blue]

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Sorry, but that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

Tielemans has played 4 full seasons of football. He's played 3 seasons in the Champions League. If 180 professional games isn't enough for the world's best coaches and scouts to figure out he's good enough than the game is gone. If nothing else the fact Monaco are desperate to sign him should tell you everything you need to know when half of Europe wants to buy their starting XI.

You look at Gabriel Jesus and you know immediately that he's good enough.


Anyway you're going to be disappointed, Pep's made it incredibly clear that he likes working with very young players and he's become the most successful coach in the world by doing that, he's not going to change any time soon, he'll always like buying young even if he brings in a couple of mid twenties players.

No, it’s not a ridiculous thing to say at all. A lot of changes happen between the ages of 18 and 24.

Gabriel Jesus is an exception and I very much agree he has the talent to be the best. But let’s see how things work out.

Not sure disappointed is the word I’d use. I just briefly explained to you how I would prefer we went about our transfer policy. It’s not the end of the world to me if we continue now down this road of signing young kids but if it was me I’d go the slightly older route.

Also just because Monaco want him doesn't mean anything to me. I’m sure they do?! He’s obviously talented and in a price and age bracket that suit them. They have to look at Dutch, French, Belgian, Scandinavian leagues, for youngsters and take a gamble on them. Leipzig do the same thing don’t they.

For me though Sanchez for 50m. We know exactly what we are getting.

 

[domalino]

when this lad came through he had everything but size, there were bids and he rejected them, for me that was a mistake. he has not improved since and others have overtaken him.as for bids for him they are usually mid table teams now

Again, that's not true, he's improved a lot this season, playing a much more pivotal role for Anderlecht than he did as a kid when he was getting a free ride and everything good he did was applauded and mistakes were overlooked because he was the 17 year old wonderkid. Rejecting them was a good idea and he's leaving Belgium still a teenager, same age as Lukaku and younger than KDB or Kompany.


Again, I point to the fact Monaco are taking meetings with him, that'd the team with the best scouting in Europe, in the CL semi finals and winning Ligue 1, so absolutely not mid-table in any way.

 

[domalino]

No, it’s not a ridiculous thing to say at all. A lot of changes happen between the ages of 18 and 24.

Name one great, truly great player who didn't look like they were going to be a world beater until 24?

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Name one great, truly great player who didn't look like they were going to be a world beater until 24?

Surely Bale wasn't far off that age before improving?

 

[domalino]

Surely Bale wasn't far off that age before improving?

He made his debut in the Championship at 16

Bale was bought for £10m as an 18 year old in days when that was big money.

He destroyed Maicon at 20, and became one of the worlds biggest up and coming wonderkids.

At 21 he was in the UEFA team of the year, PFA POTY, and in the PFA team of the year.

He was 22 when he moved away from Left Back.

He was 23 when he was bought for a world record fee.





If you wait until someone is 23/24 you're going to get them for mega-fees or you just don't get them unless there's some fluke change of circumstance like when Barcelona decided they'd rather have Suarez than Sanchez and Arsenal got him.

I would much rather get them in at 19/20 like Sané, Like jesus and have them grow into the world beaters you already know they can be.

 

[GX Blue]

Name one great, truly great player who didn't look like they were going to be a world beater until 24?

Take Bale then.
Like you just pointed out to the last chap with all his figures and stats....
At what age was he bought by Real Madrid???.... 23!!

Like i said, you know a lot more at that age what you are getting. He'd done the hard years 18-23 at other clubs.
Madrid were getting almost the final product at a good age with still more to come from him.

Just out of interest how old was Ronaldo when Real Madrid bought him?

 

[domalino]

Take Bale then.
Like you just pointed out to the last chap with all his figures and stats....
At what age was he bought by Real Madrid???.... 23!!

Like i said, you know a lot more at that age what you are getting. He'd done the hard years 18-23 at other clubs.
Madrid were getting almost the final product at a good age with still more to come from him.

Just out of interest how old was Ronaldo when Real Madrid bought him?

He was bought at 23 for a world record transfer...are you saying you want all of our transfers to be £70, £80m and above?

Or would it make 100x more sense to have bought him at 21 for 1/10th of the cost when it was already painstakingly clear he was going to go on to be world class, and he was already perfroming well enough to be in the TOTY?

 

[GX Blue]

He was bought at 23 for a world record transfer...are you saying you want all of our transfers to be £70, £80m and above?

Or would it make 100x more sense to have bought him at 21 for 1/10th of the cost when it was already painstakingly clear he was going to go on to be world class, and he was already perfroming well enough to be in the TOTY?

So to come to the conclusion then on this, as i pointed out to you, 23/24 is approximately the best age for us to sign players.

You are now saying that it’s the cost that is the issue not the quality of player. Don't worry about the cost Domalino..... We have the cash and FFP won’t be an issue.

I just don't get why you would rather spend loads of 50m's on players that might not make it and take the gamble on kids aged 18/19, rather than spend 80m for the players that we know will do the required job at a high level, just a few years later who are 23/24 more mature and fully developed physically.

I know what i'd rather do.

Another quick example which is City based: Our best players over the last few years all signed at age 23/24 - Silva, Nasri, Zab, Kompany, Aguero, De Bruyne....