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I have thought of that as well, but even for guardiola playing Sterling and Sané for example as wingbacks, with Mbappe and Sanchez up front in a 352 with at least one of Silva or KDB in midfield is insanely over attacking. You nearly always have one full back and one winger.

Would also mean that any fullbacks we spend loads on would just be benched.
Its tricky to balance assuming we go 433 then with 4 players one serious injury could leave. 3 playing every game. With 5 forwards it gives us cover and assuming 60 games with rotation all five could play 36 . If two of those were Sanchez and Aguero it may cause problems, but if it was Mbappe he'd be happy with that and still be fresh for next summers world cup.
 
4-1-4-1 like we do now with KDB and Silva in the 4? It's the same issue for me, 5 players who all expect to play most games doesn't fit into 3 spots in the starting XI.
Your right
The 5 into 3 doesn't fit can only think if we're looking at playing every 3/4 days it might be possible to keep the 5 happy and fit
 
Don't know what's so strange about Navas at RB, lots of people were calling for it under Pellegrini. He works incredibly hard, is surprisingly good in the air and it covers up for his lack of goalscoring.

Sterling and Sané on the other hand are 20 and 21 - they aren't prolific because they are young and have things to work on and learn, but it will be very disappointing if neither turns into 20+ goal a season players under Pep.
i'm not sure if it would be disappointing, sterling hasn't been prolific in front of goal, but i'm really happy with his performances this season. becoming a 20 goal a season winger isn't easy.

i think navas at RB somewhat proved that sterling and sane fit as wing backs. i want to see him experiment with it anyway. much prefer 2 strikers to just the lone one, 13/14 pellegrini and leicester last season being examples of it working
 
It is, & always has been, a weakness in the modern City team imo, not just from Silva but also Nasri, Navas etc etc. Now KDB is applying to join the 'Bull's Arse/Banjo Club' just at the time when we need him to be our midfield scorer.

We will have to replace Yaya's key goals if he goes, as expected.
I think sane is going to a big contributor in this dept. even now at this early stage of his development he is getting in positions to score a goal a game.
 
i'm not sure if it would be disappointing, sterling hasn't been prolific in front of goal, but i'm really happy with his performances this season. becoming a 20 goal a season winger isn't easy.

i think navas at RB somewhat proved that sterling and sane fit as wing backs. i want to see him experiment with it anyway. much prefer 2 strikers to just the lone one, 13/14 pellegrini and leicester last season being examples of it working

Sterling can easily become a 20 goal a season player, he's got nine this season, and even he knows he should be on more. I'm not worried with him or Sane, they'll comfortably become what we need them to be.
 
It's not 5 into 3 ffs it is 7 into 5 and with 1 injury or suspension or loss of form even that looks thin!!!!

Not sure how you've managed to get 7 into 5.

Its tricky to balance assuming we go 433 then with 4 players one serious injury could leave. 3 playing every game. With 5 forwards it gives us cover and assuming 60 games with rotation all five could play 36 . If two of those were Sanchez and Aguero it may cause problems, but if it was Mbappe he'd be happy with that and still be fresh for next summers world cup.

It's 4 + a veteran or youngun.

So if we had Roberts (young'un), Sterling, Sané, Aguero, Jesus...You'd need 2 major injuries to be in a spot with no cover, and 3 injuries simultaneously in the same position before you've got to try things like moving KDB to the wing or promote a kid, or change formation.

That would be incredulously bad luck and if it happens you just have to accept your bad luck, because you can't plan your squad on the basis that 3 forwards could possibly be injured at one point.
 
Aguero's on target for the best goal return of his career and his fitness issues seem to have been resolved

We'd be mental to sell him

Far too much churn elsewhere in the side this summer to start messing about like that

30 goal a season strikers don't grow on tree's
 
What is the right number of players for a team with a front 3 and 50-60 games per season?

This is the question I keep coming back to when people throw around Sanchez or Mbappé hints or rumours because to me, 4 with a youth player or veteran who don't mind just being involved as back up makes sense. The 4 main guys start roughly 75% of games each, and the kid or veteran starts maybe 10 games and mostly comes off the bench. Everyone is happy, everyone plays, there's good cover for injuries and even potential to bring through some very talented academy players through as/when needed.

So given we already have 3 nailed on - Sterling, Sané, Jesus - we would only looking for a veteran (Nolito? Llorente?) or a kid (Kelechi, Unal, Roberts?) and one more front line player - Aguero, Sanchez or Mbappé.

Now it's entirely possible Pep doens't share my theory of 4.5 players being the optimal amount for 3 positions, but I am worried that if he brings in a 5th main player, ie Aguero+Sanchez or Aguero+Mbappé or Mbappé+Sanchez, then it will actually be to the detriment of everyone as someone will be wasting away on the bench, getting unhappy and generally causing disharmony in the squad.

Not to mention the undue investment in that end of the squad can only take away from our Goalkeeper, fullback and centre-back budget.

Wingbacks. If we play like we are playing now 5 tops for the front 3 with one being either old (Nolito) or hopefully emerging (Roberts).

That said everyone is assuming we are going to play 4-3-3 again next season. Pep clearly wanted to go three at the back this season and was thwarted by inadequate players.

If that is what he is thinking we can afford 6 attackers with Sane and Sterling able to play wingback when we play a 3.
 
It's 4 + a veteran or youngun.

So if we had Roberts (young'un), Sterling, Sané, Aguero, Jesus...You'd need 2 major injuries to be in a spot with no cover, and 3 injuries simultaneously in the same position before you've got to try things like moving KDB to the wing or promote a kid, or change formation.

That would be incredulously bad luck and if it happens you just have to accept your bad luck, because you can't plan your squad on the basis that 3 forwards could possibly be injured at one point.


See,where your coming from, yes 4 plus 1 and I'd be okay with Roberts, as the plus one.
 
I have thought of that as well, but even for guardiola playing Sterling and Sané for example as wingbacks, with Mbappe and Sanchez up front in a 352 with at least one of Silva or KDB in midfield is insanely over attacking. You nearly always have one full back and one winger.

Would also mean that any fullbacks we spend loads on would just be benched.

It is the exact way we lined up a couple times. Actually it was more of a 3-4-3 but the intent is the same. As far as fullbacks...just don't buy multiple. We won't play any system exclusively. I think we will play both a 4-1-4-1 and a 3-4-3. As long as we buy just one LB and then Fabinho who can play in multiple places everybody should get their game time.
 
I'm of the opinion that we should have 2 players for every position,

2 lb/rb , one a flying machine who loves to attack and a solid as fuck one when we need solidness
4 cb 2 silky two andy morrisons
cant be arsed typing more but I hope you get my drift.
 
Marcos Llorente. Plays for Alaves. On loan from Madrid. Was sad to find out about his Madrid roots.

Its like watching a rare blend btw Alonso and Busquet.

Psg are the only team linked with him atm

He only has 1 more year left if I recall so he shouldn't cost a lot
 
It is the exact way we lined up a couple times. Actually it was more of a 3-4-3 but the intent is the same. As far as fullbacks...just don't buy multiple. We won't play any system exclusively. I think we will play both a 4-1-4-1 and a 3-4-3. As long as we buy just one LB and then Fabinho who can play in multiple places everybody should get their game time.

No, we lined up 3241, we've never lined up 352.

Pep also explicitly said when we played 3241 that we were not playing Sterling and Sané as wingbacks when a reporter asked why he played them there.
 
It is the exact way we lined up a couple times. Actually it was more of a 3-4-3 but the intent is the same. As far as fullbacks...just don't buy multiple. We won't play any system exclusively. I think we will play both a 4-1-4-1 and a 3-4-3. As long as we buy just one LB and then Fabinho who can play in multiple places everybody should get their game time.
We're already playing with either 2 or 3 at the back during build-up all season, with 1-2 full backs going up the wing or acting as a DM. I haven't seen us using only conventional back 4 or orthodox 'lavolpiana'. So, there's not much difference between 3 or 4-man systems as we're aspiring to switсh them according to situation.
As for playing without fullbacks - I mean the type of player, not the position - I just don't buy this idea. Think it's impossible to avoid using them in modern football as it's the easiest way to utilize strengths of quick, athletic players who can both defend and attack well. You'd lose the obvious opportunity to create numerical advantages just by using athletic qualities of certain players.
Wingers as wingbacks for me is not an answer, they have different talents (and bodies), it'd be difficult, if not impossible, to make them defend well.
So, me thinks that we need 2 FBs for each side - maybe 2 'main' ones and 2 younger 'understudies' to rotate with.
 
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Not sure how you've managed to get 7 into 5.
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Sterling, Silva, KDB, Sane, Sanchez, Kun (Mbappe) and Gabriel- 7 players to fill 5 positions. Sergio is the least flexible in this arrangement. Most of the others are interchangeable. Still thin if we have suspensions, injuries and/or loss of form. At its best we have two game changers on bench
 
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