It's Quiet thread 14 - 'do one' edition

[simon23]

Do you believe?
a) in fairies
b) Santa
c) Tabas
d) or all three?

none ...im asking a genuine question as stated

 

[barcelonafcfan]

i absolutely trust everything that TH and everyone else is posted so this is a genuine question...

Why is the fact that La Liga posted their statement seemingly good news for us...it seemed to support what Barca are saying - ie they wont let messi go as he is contractually obligated to them for another 12 months (unless a release clause is payed)

cheers

They're not weighing in Messi's side of the argument. They're right about his exit clause ending on June 10th, but what they're not factoring in is Messi couldn't use that exit clause because we were still in the middle of the season. It's not like he could just put in a transfer request whilst Barcelona still had a chance of winning the league and the Champions League. The season didn't finish till the end of August, so he had no time to think about his future due to COVID. I have no doubt if we had lost 8-2 to Bayern back in April/May, Messi would have used that exit clause before June 10th. He just couldn't due to COVID. And that's the case Messi is trying to make.

 

[bluemonkey71]

After CAS we clearly have Tebas' piss boiling with the probability that La Ligas greatest asset , and lets put it in a timescale, EVER, will be joining his nemesis
He has his own problems after that disgraceful Fuenlabrada episode and subsequent cover up.
A win- win if ever there were

what episode and cover up?

 

[nmc]

none ...im asking a genuine question as stated

The La Liga statement is largely irrelevant. It’s aimed at protecting self interest. Don’t read too much into it - the Spanish league is seeing an exodus of its best players... Ronaldo, Neymar and now Messi - of course the league are gonna kick off, but it changes nothing.

 

[Marvin]

i absolutely trust everything that TH and everyone else is posted so this is a genuine question...

Why is the fact that La Liga posted their statement seemingly good news for us...it seemed to support what Barca are saying - ie they wont let messi go as he is contractually obligated to them for another 12 months (unless a release clause is payed)

cheers

I am not sure anyone thinks it's good news.

However it doesn't kill a transfer. The player wants to leave. He has 10 months on his current deal. he is in conflict with the club.

In the past players sometime negotiate better deals but this is Messi's last years. I think he'll be gutted. This isn't a solution. The only way out seems to be a negotiated transfer. If Barcelona resist they will damage their own club and lose the player to a free transfer in a matter of months.

 

[91:23]

How many times have you heard it. 'Stick him in the reserves!' Or 'Let him rot on the bench!' Never happens does it. It's just a phase of anger that gets you to the ultimate realisation of acceptance. The player always moves.... eventually.

This is why I dont give any credence to what Bart is spouting, nor Tebas. Patience is a virtue and one us Blues have in abundance. It's just a matter of time.



















And thank fuck cos I've got £60 on Messi signing for us before the end of the Window!

 

[Manx Blue]

none ...im asking a genuine question as stated

My reading of it Simon, is that La Liga are piling onto a situation that is between the player and club. The fact La Liga has spoken, will to me, drive a wedge further between the club and Messi.

Messi has stated he wants to leave, and the statement will make him reticent to return under any circumstances.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

But he is under contract so even that doesnt mean they will have to sell - of course it would be very difficult fo them to keep him and not play him or play him knowing his mindset (though over time with being at the club, around friends and the fans that could change his mind also)

It also means we will have to pay for him doesnt it? ((f Barca are willing to negotiate)

The way I see it is we now have 3 outcomes.

Barca negotiate a fee for Messi with us and sell him for circa £100mil. This is what is the easiest and best for all parties and seemingly what Messi is trying to get them to do.

If they continue to refuse then that leaves us with 2 other options.

Messi takes them to court over his contract about this free clause and Barca run the risk of losing him for nothing. Barti's quotes from last year do him no favours.
Or
The Webster ruling is invoked and FIFA settle the price. Again Barca run the risk of losing a decent amount of money.

The one guarantee is Messi has played his last game for Barca

 

[manimanc]

All part of the charade.

Messi will be paraded with pep and the city shirt eventually.

This is just part and parcel of a transfer and especially a huge transfer.

 

[CC1]

Do you really think after the year we have just had that the board would knowingly subject the club to a risk like that?

Nah. Not really. Just don’t trust anyone in football anymore. Just wish it was all sorted :). :). :)

 

[Marvin]

The way I see it is we now have 3 outcomes.

Barca negotiate a fee for Messi with us and sell him for circa £100mil. This is what is the easiest and best for all parties and seemingly what Messi is trying to get them to do.

If they continue to refuse then that leaves us with 2 other options.

Messi takes them to court over his contract about this free clause and Barca run the risk of losing him for nothing. Barti's quotes from last year do him no favours.
Or
The Webster ruling is invoked and FIFA settle the price. Again Barca run the risk of losing a decent amount of money.

The one guarantee is Messi has played his last game for Barca

Very small possibility that there's ructions politically at barca enabling a new regime. That was Sky and mainstream media's initial angle on this. A messi plot to infuence the Barca regime. I think we can discount that.

I agree with your conclusions.

I think we all independently came to the same place which is quite good although we all share the same overall bias. I wonder what observers like Balague and Sid Lowe think. Their opinion will be interesting.

 

[Lemon7277]

Surely city's legal team have gone over and over his contract with a fine tooth Combe and if they had any doubts about the legality of the finer points they wouldn't of advised H.R.H and khaldoon to press the button and put the wheels in motion to make him ours
As always we are acting with professionalism and integrity as an organisation till the NUCLEAR BUTTON is pressed
We are playing a blinder in my eyes

 

[I'm Blue]

But he is under contract so even that doesnt mean they will have to sell - of course it would be very difficult fo them to keep him and not play him or play him knowing his mindset (though over time with being at the club, around friends and the fans that could change his mind also)

It also means we will have to pay for him doesnt it? ((f Barca are willing to negotiate)

If it turns out that it’s Barca in the right, I don’t see it getting done this season.
Barca haven’t changed their stance that it’s €700m or it doesn’t get done, even if they were to negotiate I still see the fee being €200m-€300m.
Wouldn’t have thought it’d be financially viable.
Also would Messi want us paying a fee when in his eyes he’s a free to leave player? Could be a point of principle.
The Webster ruling is the other option, but I’ve seen conflicting reports/posts on that option.
This will probably end up in the courts, we’ve basically gone round in circles over the last few days.
Just my opinion on the way it’s looking and progressing, hopefully I’m wrong but we seem to be at a stalemate at the minute.

 

[Chris in London]

I'd be interested in a lawyer's take on this, if his legal team have advised him not to fulfil any club obligations as that could be seen as honouring a contract he doesn't believe is valid, trying to get Barca to honour the agreement? Or if its just posturing in the hope that Barca agree to the transfer...

Either way, he's doing his bit to try and make the move happen which looks very positive for us. Fingers crossed.

Without actually seeing his contract I’m not sure any lawyer would have anything relevant to say.

Doesn’t seem to have stopped La Liga, however.

 

[Neville Kneville]

If it turns out that it’s Barca in the right, I don’t see it getting done this season.
Barca haven’t changed their stance that it’s €700m or it doesn’t get done, even if they were to negotiate I still see the fee being €200m-€300m.
Wouldn’t have thought it’d be financially viable.
Also would Messi want us paying a fee when in his eyes he’s a free to leave player? Could be a point of principle.
The Webster ruling is the other option, but I’ve seen conflicting reports/posts on that option.
This will probably end up in the courts, we’ve basically gone round in circles over the last few days.
Just my opinion on the way it’s looking and progressing, hopefully I’m wrong but we seem to be at a stalemate at the minute.

Why would the fee be 200 million ?

 

[Glauber Berti]

If it turns out that it’s Barca in the right, I don’t see it getting done this season.
Barca haven’t changed their stance that it’s €700m or it doesn’t get done, even if they were to negotiate I still see the fee being €200m-€300m.
Wouldn’t have thought it’d be financially viable.
Also would Messi want us paying a fee when in his eyes he’s a free to leave player? Could be a point of principle.
The Webster ruling is the other option, but I’ve seen conflicting reports/posts on that option.
This will probably end up in the courts, we’ve basically gone round in circles over the last few days.
Just my opinion on the way it’s looking and progressing, hopefully I’m wrong but we seem to be at a stalemate at the minute.

fuck me, back again with absolute drivel.

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

If it turns out that it’s Barca in the right, I don’t see it getting done this season.
Barca haven’t changed their stance that it’s €700m or it doesn’t get done, even if they were to negotiate I still see the fee being €200m-€300m.
Wouldn’t have thought it’d be financially viable.
Also would Messi want us paying a fee when in his eyes he’s a free to leave player? Could be a point of principle.
The Webster ruling is the other option, but I’ve seen conflicting reports/posts on that option.
This will probably end up in the courts, we’ve basically gone round in circles over the last few days.
Just my opinion on the way it’s looking and progressing, hopefully I’m wrong but we seem to be at a stalemate at the minute.

They would have to be beyond stupid to demand that though. Ronaldo went for 100 million euros at the same age, with more than one year left on his contract.

 

[I'm Blue]

Why would the fee be 200 million ?

Because at the minute Barca are saying €700m or it doesn’t happen, just don’t see it getting done for €100m if Barca still believe he his under contract.
It’s just down to who’s right and who’s wrong and that’s where the stalemate seems to be.

 

[leewill31]

Tebas biggest fears rolling before his eyes and there is fuck all he can do about it.

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

Without actually seeing his contract I’m not sure any lawyer would have anything relevant to say.

Doesn’t seem to have stopped La Liga, however.

I may be wrong(?) but I have it in my head that European football associations require a copy of all player / club contracts so that they can establish their validity / ensure 3rd Party ownership isn't an issue etc. as part of the registration process to play in their leagues.
Can anyone actually clued up on this topic confirm one way or the other please?