Jadon Sancho

[Pigeonho]

AS saying same about Diaz now.
Bullshit??

 

[citizenyank76]

AS saying same about Diaz now.
Bullshit??

If Diaz leaves then in no way will his situation be similar to Sancho. Dortmund can give ample playing time to talented young starlets.
It's how they run their club. And then sell the ones like Pulisic that don't work out. How is Diaz going out on loan when he gets to
Real Madrid going to be any different than what would happen if he stayed here?

 

[domalino]

If Diaz leaves then in no way will his situation be similar to Sancho. Dortmund can give ample playing time to talented young starlets.
It's how they run their club. And then sell the ones like Pulisic that don't work out. How is Diaz going out on loan when he gets to
Real Madrid going to be any different than what would happen if he stayed here?

I've just said this in the Brahim thread, but might as well repeat it.

9 of Madrids 25 man squad this season have been sent out for experience and brought back. 7 loans, 2 sold with buybacks that were used.

So they obviously have infinitely more credibility when they say to Brahim "we'll loan you and bring you back", compared to when City say it when no young loanee has ever come back in the entirety of Brahim's 5 years at the club - except maybe Zinchenko. He's even seen his friends Maffeo and Angelino do amazingly on loan and still have no chance of getting in the first team. Kids aren't going to ignore that.

City are saying "Be the first kid ever to go on loan and come back to our first team!"

Madrid are saying "Be just like Asensio, Casemiro, Carvajal, Mariano, Vallejo etc."

 

[K10&S21]

why are we worrying so much about a guy who wouldn't even make our bench? he is not some once in a generation talent like neymar or KDB or sterling or sane. I won't worry too much about loosing him. If the guy is not willing to rightfully play second fiddle to superior talents in the squad he is not worth crying about.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

why are we worrying so much about a guy who wouldn't even make our bench? he is not some once in a generation talent like neymar or KDB or sterling or sane. I won't worry too much about loosing him. If the guy is not willing to rightfully play second fiddle to superior talents in the squad he is not worth crying about.

You can feel the press urging him to do well. not because they really genuinely want him to do well but to use him as a point of reference to how we are ruining the game again. As you rightly say he probably wouldn't get near a regular first team regular shirt and we were right to not carry on with his services.

 

[CityStu]

So your source is the Daily Mail.

Yes. Can you provide an alternative source saying something different?

 

[FantasyIreland]

Instead of playing the blame game why don't you wait and see how the players careers develop.

Because that wouldn't provide him with an opportunity to troll.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

You can feel the press urging him to do well. not because they really genuinely want him to do well but to use him as a point of reference to how we are ruining the game again. As you rightly say he probably wouldn't get near a regular first team regular shirt and we were right to not carry on with his services.

Not sure URGING is right, you can feel the media buying success for him, In the England game the best player was Delph followed by LIngard and Sterling, I can understand anybody changing that order even including Rashford, so you can understand my surprise when the BBC gave Pickford a 7 when he did not make a save but even worse Sancho a 7 when he did not touch the ball 7 times, only 1 City player matched Sancho`s score and this was typical of the media
,Is Sancho going to be the new Rashford no , he is going to be the new Neymar just as Rooney was the new Ronaldo , who cares about reality certainly not the media

 

[cookster]

Yes. Can you provide an alternative source saying something different?

No but I'm not passing it off as fact that Dortmund offered Sancho less money. That was you with the DM as your source.

DM are quoting Sterling in on 300k a week, I don't take that as fact either.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Jason Sancho never was our academy product in the first place. We're in an era where clubs now start hoovering up other clubs' best academy prospects at 14, 15, 16. Not sure there's much more pride to be had out of integrating a player like that into your team than there is buying one at 18 or 19 to be honest. When you're picking players up in that way, you can lose them just as easily as they will never command the same level of loyalty or love for the club as someone like Foden.

He'd be getting minutes this season if he'd stayed with us. He's ambitious and impatient though and he wanted more than we could offer. He's made a good decision for himself but that doesn't mean us promising him a disproportionate number of minutes would have been a good solution for us either.

It's a shame he's slipped through our fingers but to me it's just a case of a player potentially having the right level of ability to make it here, but in the wrong position at the wrong time and with a set of requirements incompatible with that of the club.

At 18 years old at a club of our standing, getting all the league cup games, some fa cup games and occasional premier league minutes is a great starting point and it's the best we can do. It isn't going to change. Players can stick around or they can leave, it's up to them. Either way, we'll get over it.

I don't think he was ever in love with the club and im pretty sure Dortmund will also find out soon enough that they won't command much loyalty from him either.

Wouldn't even bring the likes of Barker or Roberts into the conversation. They are not ever going to reach a level that's good enough for where we're at.

It doesn't matter whether they are ever good enough for Stockport County.

They were two of the best kids in England, and they were two of the best kids in the England international team at their age group.

They deserved to get reasonable time on the pitch, for City & didn't get it

They would almost certainly have got it, at the swamp. If they then disappear, doesn't matter. They were seen to be given a decent chance when they deserved it.

If two of the best English kids can barely get 5 mins on the pitch when in top form, the ones coming through behind them will be concerned, as you would be in that position, that they also won't get any playing time.

It's obvious.

 

[CityStu]

No but I'm not passing it off as fact that Dortmund offered Sancho less money. That was you with the DM as your source.

DM are quoting Sterling in on 300k a week, I don't take that as fact either.

I've sourced my claim. DM have no reason to lie about his Dortmund wages. Up to you to provide an alternative source if you want to counter claim.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Because we love Pep, lets blame Pellegrini.


While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.

Sancho, Diaz & Maffeo while he only will succeed to keep Foden.


Pep is the best manager ever, but he like to play it safe and buy established players instead of taking some risk on exceptional young talents.

Nah let's blame him.because he was shite & used kids like a First World War General.

 

[cookster]

DM have no reason to lie.

Daily Mail no reason to lie, that aint a source. Lets bring this debate to a close.

 

[CityStu]

Daily Mail no reason to lie, that aint a source. Lets bring this debate to a close.

No, it isn't. My original point was that Sancho moved to Dortmund for less money than City had offered. I've evidenced that point.

You haven't given any evidence to the contrary.

 

[Mon Autre]

It doesn't matter whether they are ever good enough for Stockport County.

They were two of the best kids in England, and they were two of the best kids in the England international team at their age group.

They deserved to get reasonable time on the pitch, for City & didn't get it

They would almost certainly have got it, at the swamp. If they then disappear, doesn't matter. They were seen to be given a decent chance when they deserved it.

If two of the best English kids can barely get 5 mins on the pitch when in top form, the ones coming through behind them will be concerned, as you would be in that position, that they also won't get any playing time.

It's obvious.

Aside from Rashford, who seemed to only get in the side after a freak number of injuries, when did united last give a 17 or 18 year old a decent number of minutes? And how many of them of them have gone on to hold a place down in that team?

 

[ancoats]

I've sourced my claim. DM have no reason to lie about his Dortmund wages. Up to you to provide an alternative source if you want to counter claim.

i have a feeling the wage offer from city in the new deal was a basic deal with little to not much if any bonus like playing first team football and with pep and city already said he will not be in the first team squad and not ready so no chances of first team football and the fees it comes with, Dortmund wages and the deal they offered him would have a basic plus add-on's and its going to be better because Dortmund said he would be in the first team squad and maybe a new deal after the first 6 months

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Because we love Pep, lets blame Pellegrini.


While Pep is here the club lost 4 of the best talents the club have produced in the last 8 years.

Sancho, Diaz & Maffeo while he only will succeed to keep Foden.


Pep is the best manager ever, but he like to play it safe and buy established players instead of taking some risk on exceptional young talents.

Not sure that I can worry too much about your opinions , as at best they are generally weird .

Diaz is still at City btw .

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Aside from Rashford, who seemed to only get in the side after a freak number of injuries, when did united last give a 17 or 18 year old a decent number of minutes? And how many of them of them have gone on to hold a place down in that team?

That is not NK's argument though.

It's that they get a chance in the team, but as with everything rag, they are always over-hyped and generally average at best.

 

[cookster]

No, it isn't. My original point was that Sancho moved to Dortmund for less money than City had offered. I've evidenced that point.

You haven't given any evidence to the contrary.

Is this a Clarkie or are you seriously quoting the Daily Mail as evidence? Its a fucking comic that makes shit up for click bait.

A bloke down the pub said Jadeon was offered a huge signing on fee from Dortmund, that's as valid as your "evidence"

The same paper that quotes Jadeon is now valued at 100m, laughable.

 

[Mon Autre]

That is not NK's argument though.

It's that they get a chance in the team, but as with everything rag, they are always over-hyped and generally average at best.

But i get a sense though that we overhype our own players. There's plenty of players who have been hyped as standout players who haven't kicked on over the years from lots of clubs.

Roberts and Barker have spent time with Pep and the first team squad and they havent been deemed ready for first team minutes. They went on loan and haven't done enough there either. Looking good at under 18 level doesn't always translate into being a top level player and by the same token players who don't look like they're going to make the grade at that level can be late bloomers.

You get teenagers who have these incredible show reels because they're quick or good dribblers and up against other kids. Once they're physically developed though and also required to show a top level attitude and reading of the game they can drop off.