Javi Garcia (continued)

[Joburg Hero]

Fernandinho is a much better defensive midfielder than Garcia. Simple as that really. You shouldn't punish Dinho because he can play more than one role in the midfield, some people seem to think that a holding midfielder can only be a player who's incapable of doing anything else. Dinho has all the attributes, and has played as a genuine holding midfielder for the majority of the season, doing a superb job at it too. I haven't looked at the stats but I'm confident Dinho will have more tackles, interceptions etc per 90 minutes than Garcia has. All that, and he can use the ball in the opposition's half too. Perfect midfielder.

 

[yatesy94]

Not sure we could accommodate Garcia, Fernando and Fernandinho. Rodwell looks a certainty to be off and rightly so. Personally I'd be looking to sell him or use him in a swap deal as I'd imagine his value has rocketed in the final few months.

He's been solid but I feel we can field a better player in his position. I had a look on a Porto forum and they compare him to a wrestler instead of a DM and I can sort of see where they're coming from (Noticed hes picked up a lot of yellows pulling shirts early on in games)

 

[Del_Bosque]

Fernando, Garcia, Fernandinho and Yaya would be an excellent CM options to have

Would allow us to play 3 in the middle for some away games as well?

 

[BigOscar]

I think the main reason Garcia played against West Ham is because he's great in the air. Fernandinho would of been pointless in holding midfield in that game, as I don't recall West Ham ever even attempting to go down the middle with the ball on the floor.

Fernandinho doesn't have the positioning or discipline of Garcia either, he plays the position in a completely different way. We had about a 20 minute spell in the first half, where no matter where West Ham cleared it, it went straight to Javi, who just recycled the ball and we kept them penned in. It's not a criticism of Fernandinho, but if he had been playing, he would of been around the box instead of hanging back and those aimless balls out of defence would of been competed between Carroll and our CB's. Maybe he would of heped us score earlier, or maybe they would of found it easier to get out and maybe launch counter attacks, there is no real way of knowing. More than one way to skin a cat and all that

Fernando is more like a cross between the two of them. He has the discipline to sit back and let the players in front of him do the attacking, but he also has the tenacity and athleticism to hound players around the pitch. If we do sign him then it's hard to see Javi staying, or for Fernandinho to play in holding midfield much

 

[yamcha]

Hope I'm wrong but his lack of pace is a major concern and I think for a team wanting to win the Champions league he is not quite good enough, that said thanks for coming to our rescue when Ferna was carrying an injury, you deserve your medal

I don't think he was carrying an injury.

I think MP preferred to have an anchorman on the pitch in these last few games.

Fernandinho is more of a destroyer, not an anchorman.

Nah he was carrying an injury. No one in their right mind would play Garcia over Fernandinho, in any part of the midfield

Think a lot of you are going OTT with the praise of him to be honest. Garcia needs to be replaced

If he was carrying an injury , then why did he come on after 60 minutes ?

 

[NQCitizen]

Hope I'm wrong but his lack of pace is a major concern and I think for a team wanting to win the Champions league he is not quite good enough, that said thanks for coming to our rescue when Ferna was carrying an injury, you deserve your medal

I don't think he was carrying an injury.

I think MP preferred to have an anchorman on the pitch in these last few games.

Fernandinho is more of a destroyer, not an anchorman.

Nah he was carrying an injury. No one in their right mind would play Garcia over Fernandinho, in any part of the midfield

Think a lot of you are going OTT with the praise of him to be honest. Garcia needs to be replaced

Someone in their right mind who wanted aerial dominance and defensive discipline probably would...

 

[lasereyes]

Some people are clearly still using last season's Garcia to underpin their opinion.

If he'd have signed last summer and played as consistently well as he has this season, you'd be ridiculous to say he hadn't been a success.

Does what it says on the tin and does it well.

Well done Javi :)

To use your words, what's on the tin would be: "average passer, average tackler, average (at best) speed, reasonable in the air, contributes nothing in defence". If that was the scouting report, I wouldn't want to sign that player. I'm not saying he can't be a serviceable Premier League player for a lower mid-table team like West Ham or Sunderland. But for a title-winning team that has big aspirations in Europe, he's not close to making the grade.

Now given we have him, we can use him as a reserve who can come on to shore up a game but that's about it. The fact that he is improved from last year doesn't mean a whole lot since there was such a low bar to cross from last year.

And btw, he was pretty poor yesterday. Made a couple of decent tackles early on, but gave the ball away on a few occasions and was generally pretty static. Probably our weakest player on the park.

If you genuinely believe he 'contributes nothing in defence' you undeniably can't read the game.

Sorry, I mis-typed - meant to say "contributes nothing in attack" - which in fairness should have been discernible from the rest of the post. Frankly i think your "ridiculous to say he hasn't been a success" calls into question your ability to read the game.

 

[Wio Gumflapdinand]

Have we still got school kids complaining that we don't have 11 Messi style players on the pitch. Joe Hart contributes fuck all to the attack and that Aguero fella gets skinned everytime. I'll tell you something I'll say it might not be popular with the galactico kids but I doubt we would have won the league if he hadn't of played these last few games.
His performances and presence in the team went hand in hand with our defence finally looking more solid so our number one game plan of FULLBACKS GETTING HIGH UP THE PITCH TO ATTACK AND GIVE WIDTH and our plan B of YAYA GETTING FURTHER FORWARD could operate. Sorry about capital letters but these kids need it spelt out to them. They clearly want to have a cake and eat it and then complain some more about it. Go back to playingFIFA kids. Garcia has been excellent at what he does

 

[Andy Morrisons jock strap]

I think the main reason Garcia played against West Ham is because he's great in the air. Fernandinho would of been pointless in holding midfield in that game, as I don't recall West Ham ever even attempting to go down the middle with the ball on the floor.

Fernandinho doesn't have the positioning or discipline of Garcia either, he plays the position in a completely different way. We had about a 20 minute spell in the first half, where no matter where West Ham cleared it, it went straight to Javi, who just recycled the ball and we kept them penned in. It's not a criticism of Fernandinho, but if he had been playing, he would of been around the box instead of hanging back and those aimless balls out of defence would of been competed between Carroll and our CB's. Maybe he would of heped us score earlier, or maybe they would of found it easier to get out and maybe launch counter attacks, there is no real way of knowing. More than one way to skin a cat and all that

Fernando is more like a cross between the two of them. He has the discipline to sit back and let the players in front of him do the attacking, but he also has the tenacity and athleticism to hound players around the pitch. If we do sign him then it's hard to see Javi staying, or for Fernandinho to play in holding midfield much

Some good points here although disagree about the positioning bit, Garcia only stays in one position because he can't get around the pitch like Ferna can and thus expose himself to the counter attack so he provides fuck all in an offensive way, but I take your point about Garcia's ariel ability against Carroll

 

[yamcha]

I think the main reason Garcia played against West Ham is because he's great in the air. Fernandinho would of been pointless in holding midfield in that game, as I don't recall West Ham ever even attempting to go down the middle with the ball on the floor.

Fernandinho doesn't have the positioning or discipline of Garcia either, he plays the position in a completely different way. We had about a 20 minute spell in the first half, where no matter where West Ham cleared it, it went straight to Javi, who just recycled the ball and we kept them penned in. It's not a criticism of Fernandinho, but if he had been playing, he would of been around the box instead of hanging back and those aimless balls out of defence would of been competed between Carroll and our CB's. Maybe he would of heped us score earlier, or maybe they would of found it easier to get out and maybe launch counter attacks, there is no real way of knowing. More than one way to skin a cat and all that

Fernando is more like a cross between the two of them. He has the discipline to sit back and let the players in front of him do the attacking, but he also has the tenacity and athleticism to hound players around the pitch. If we do sign him then it's hard to see Javi staying, or for Fernandinho to play in holding midfield much

Some good points here although disagree about the positioning bit, Garcia only stays in one position because he can't get around the pitch like Ferna can and thus expose himself to the counter attack so he provides fuck all in an offensive way, but I take your point about Garcia's ariel ability against Carroll

Whilst Fernandinho can play as a holding midfielder, he's not an expert. Garcia is an expert. When you play an expansive game like we do, it is important to have a holding midfielder on the pitch, otherwise you're going to be too open and too vulnerable to the counter attack.

 

[Joburg Hero]

So much nonsense being spouted here. Dinho is a much, much better defensive midfielder than Garcia. Far more influential defensively, presses better, wins more tackles, doesn't look uncomfortable on the ball and can act as the pivot for an attack. Garcia constantly passes on the responsibility. Nowhere near as good an option at DM, but hey, some people are thick and see the position not the player.

 

[Rascal]

So much nonsense being spouted here. Dinho is a much, much better defensive midfielder than Garcia. Far more influential defensively, presses better, wins more tackles, doesn't look uncomfortable on the ball and can act as the pivot for an attack. Garcia constantly passes on the responsibility. Nowhere near as good an option at DM, but hey, some people are thick and see the position not the player.

I must be a right thick twat. Sorry for being so fucking stupid and knowing absolutely fuck all about football.

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity

 

[bgblue]

So much nonsense being spouted here. Dinho is a much, much better defensive midfielder than Garcia. Far more influential defensively, presses better, wins more tackles, doesn't look uncomfortable on the ball and can act as the pivot for an attack. Garcia constantly passes on the responsibility. Nowhere near as good an option at DM, but hey, some people are thick and see the position not the player.

I must be a right thick twat. Sorry for being so fucking stupid and knowing absolutely fuck all about football.

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity

And he's slow. FFS Russ :-)

 

[yamcha]

So much nonsense being spouted here. Dinho is a much, much better defensive midfielder than Garcia. Far more influential defensively, presses better, wins more tackles, doesn't look uncomfortable on the ball and can act as the pivot for an attack. Garcia constantly passes on the responsibility. Nowhere near as good an option at DM, but hey, some people are thick and see the position not the player.

There's are different types of defensive midfielders. . Fernandinho is a destroyer, he presses and chases players, Garcia is a holding midfielder, he holds his position, marks space and shields the back four. That's the difference between the two. When we used to play with Fernandinho in the team, he'd chase the ball and then leave a massive gap between midfield and the defence. Many teams exploited that space. Garcia just sits and rarely leaves the defenders exposed.

 

[Rascal]

So much nonsense being spouted here. Dinho is a much, much better defensive midfielder than Garcia. Far more influential defensively, presses better, wins more tackles, doesn't look uncomfortable on the ball and can act as the pivot for an attack. Garcia constantly passes on the responsibility. Nowhere near as good an option at DM, but hey, some people are thick and see the position not the player.

I must be a right thick twat. Sorry for being so fucking stupid and knowing absolutely fuck all about football.

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity

And he's slow. FFS Russ :-)

As slow as my know fuck all head.



Its taken me 34 minutes to type this im that slow

 

[vettyvignesh]

should be sold to Inter,Get fernando.

 

[aguero93:20]

Javi's agent has just been on Italian media stating that his client is perfectly happy at the champions, has no plans to leave and will 100% be at City next season.

 

[john@staustell]

I'll sleep easier tonight.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Javi's agent has just been on Italian media stating that his client is perfectly happy at the champions, has no plans to leave and will 100% be at City next season.

That's called touting where I am from

Sadly, javi will be gone if Fernando rocks up!!!

 

[aguero93:20]

Javi's agent has just been on Italian media stating that his client is perfectly happy at the champions, has no plans to leave and will 100% be at City next season.

That's called touting where I am from

Sadly, javi will be gone if Fernando rocks up!!!

Round here touting means ratting to the police ;)