Joe Hart (continued)

[George Hannah]

Re: joe hart

for some reason loads of people are saying recall Hart for spurs game, why? Has a 2 week break from city made everyone forget why he was dropped? It was for a reason, and to hopefully allow him to recapture his best form in the future, not just to make a statement

Agreed. He comes back when his confidence is back and his training and performances demand his inclusion and not before.

He will be one of the worlds best and it will be for us and this is a lesson he will learn from.

In the absence of a better alternative the smart and brave way to help Joe back to form would have been to keep picking him. It will be 3 weeks since his last competitive match when he turns out against the Germans tomorrow - some preparation. The notion that being benched restores confidence and improves performance is frankly bizarre.

 

[kaz7]

Re: joe hart

I can't see pants being dropped for spurs but i think joe will be in for plzen

Hope he has a great game on tuesday as the longer he is out it will be harder to come back,the press interest will be intense no matter when it is

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Re: joe hart

The problem for any keeper we play is we are so dominant for most games that they hardly get a chance to show their worth.By the same token every mistake is highlighted more.

An inferior keeper at a club not so good will get plenty of shots and headers to save in a game,therefore if he makes a mistake it doesn't appear as bad because everyone remembers the blinder he had before he made it more than the error.

Our injuries in defense and playing a different system has left our keeper more exposed than in previous years,that being said teams are still not having a massive amount of chances against us, but when they do they are usually one on one or such meaning we conceed.

The mark of a world class keeper is he keeps his concentration and when called upon pulls of the breathtaking save that keeps us in,or wins us the match.Joe was doing it in the title winning season but now those times he has been called on this season he is conceeding.When that happens,such is the amount of work our keeper has to do most games,an average keeper would probably be of just as much use and would percentage wise save a few too.

I agree, I'd play Pantillimon against Bayern we'll be on the back foot during that game and will concede plenty of chances against them so it will give us a better chance to see what he is like under pressure.... giving him games against teams that are less likely push us at the back won't give us a full insight on how much we can rely on him.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: joe hart

If Dzeko has a bad game he gets dropped to the bench. The next game (or perhaps the one after that) he'll be brought on after 60-70 mins and given an early opportunity to re-claim his place in the team. If Dzeko doesn't play, its quickly obvious whether his replacement is playing better or worse than he was and deserves to stay in the team.

It doesn't work that way for keepers. Hart isn't going to be given 20-30 min appreances. Pantilimon has played three games but we're none the wiser yet has to whether he is the better goalkeeper.

In theory goalkeepers should be treated the same as outfield players, compete to prove who is the best player. In reality its more difficult.

Quite so - this simple point appears lost on some of contributors here. If Hart is dropped because of poor form he should only get replaced by someone better. This is justified on the basis of their record - Pantilimon has no significant track record on which to judge whether he is a better keeper and it is an unwarranted risk to hope he comes good in these circumstances. For the club's and his sake I hope it comes off but it's the wrong decision IMO.

 

[stonerblue]

Re: joe hart

for some reason loads of people are saying recall Hart for spurs game, why? Has a 2 week break from city made everyone forget why he was dropped? It was for a reason, and to hopefully allow him to recapture his best form in the future, not just to make a statement

Agreed. He comes back when his confidence is back and his training and performances demand his inclusion and not before.

He will be one of the worlds best and it will be for us and this is a lesson he will learn from.

In the absence of a better alternative the smart and brave way to help Joe back to form would have been to keep picking him. It will be 3 weeks since his last competitive match when he turns out against the Germans tomorrow - some preparation. The notion that being benched restores confidence and improves performance is frankly bizarre.

As is the idea that keepers get dropped if they#ve done nothing wrong and are not injured. Once a keeper has claimed a starting spot he keeps it until either of the above happen.

If CP gets dropped for no other reason then he'll be off asap.

 

[the goats backside]

Re: joe hart

When Joe gets his head sorted and not before then his form will come back

 

[aguero93:20]

Re: joe hart

for some reason loads of people are saying recall Hart for spurs game, why? Has a 2 week break from city made everyone forget why he was dropped? It was for a reason, and to hopefully allow him to recapture his best form in the future, not just to make a statement

Agreed. He comes back when his confidence is back and his training and performances demand his inclusion and not before.

He will be one of the worlds best and it will be for us and this is a lesson he will learn from.

In the absence of a better alternative the smart and brave way to help Joe back to form would have been to keep picking him. It will be 3 weeks since his last competitive match when he turns out against the Germans tomorrow - some preparation. The notion that being benched restores confidence and improves performance is frankly bizarre.

He's been outstanding in England training apparently, be interesting to see how he does tomorrow, if he plays well I'd have him in for the spurs game.

 

[mat]

Re: joe hart

He'll be back at the weekend after a stormer in the German game.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: joe hart

Agreed. He comes back when his confidence is back and his training and performances demand his inclusion and not before.

He will be one of the worlds best and it will be for us and this is a lesson he will learn from.

In the absence of a better alternative the smart and brave way to help Joe back to form would have been to keep picking him. It will be 3 weeks since his last competitive match when he turns out against the Germans tomorrow - some preparation. The notion that being benched restores confidence and improves performance is frankly bizarre.

As is the idea that keepers get dropped if they#ve done nothing wrong and are not injured. Once a keeper has claimed a starting spot he keeps it until either of the above happen.

If CP gets dropped for no other reason then he'll be off asap.

Its not a big problem considering he is the number 2. They come and go as has always been the case. For what its worth if Hart is out for a while I would rather we brought another keeper anyway

 

[Len Rum]

Re: joe hart

I'm sure Pelly has already decided on Joe for the Plzen,Bayern and Leicester games. Assuming he gets picked against Germany that's four games for him to stake his claim. Pants will be in for the Prem games , so by end December Pellers will have a decision to make. Although not ideal, he could then rotate them up to the end of the season and defer the decision.