Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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malg said:
I absolutely hate footballers prostituting themselves on adverts. Don't they earn enough. I just look at every single one of them being greedy cunts. Messi was on one recently......yep, he needs the cash.
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Earnings royalties commercials and .. ..
Put me on 140k a week and I promise you faithfully you could have my testimonial game after week two.
And I would kiss our badge and even give a little wave to our loyal away fans.

I will miss you Joe and thank you so much for your time with us.
But in Pep I place my trust.
 
So a few players will come in including Yaya , but Joe will be on the bench as per Mirror, though Times reporting he may start. Joe must have done something to piss of pep lol to not even get a farewell game in a game effectively won.
 
Plain Speaking said:
City Watch reporting Pep is going to play quite a few fringe players for the CL game on Wednesday. Giving a run out to Yaya, Fernando, Delph, Clichy and Kelechi. However Hart is to remain on the bench.

I do feel sorry for Hart in all this. OK I accept Hart hasn't currently got the skill set Pep wants, but he has been a popular City legend and is a fine keeper, certainly much better than Willy.

He has been completely frozen out after what, 45 minutes of football against Arsenal. Pep says Hart can fight for his place, but he won't even play him when the other fringe players are playing.

There seems attempts at character assassination against anyone who speaks out on BM, (almost cyber bullying?). I have no problem us getting Bravo, but Hart does not appear to have been treated with the respect and dignity I would have expected from our top management team.
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You're believing what you want to believe. How do you know Pep is not giving Joe opportunity in training and he is still coming up short? Respect is a two way street, and Pep may also feel Joe hasnt yet earnt it. If you honestly feel he has been frozen out after just 45mins then more food you.
 
mosssideblue said:
You're believing what you want to believe. How do you know Pep is not giving Joe opportunity in training and he is still coming up short? Respect is a two way street, and Pep may also feel Joe hasnt yet earnt it. If you honestly feel he has been frozen out after just 45mins then more food you.
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More FOOD all of us!
 
malg said:
Is that true? I know you've said previously that you may have some info on this from a very reliable source. I'm sure someone mentioned Kompany having some sway as well.
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And Silva, Toure and Richards.

We'd have lost our entire spine at the time.

I'm not particularly arsed Mancini was sacked but I brought it up as one nobber was moaning about Hart being replaced and Mancini being sacked.
 
If Pep plays Hart & Hart embarrasses himself with some shitty, nervous distribution & decision-making, Im sure we will hv a few "passionate" city fans & media rags screaming "Pep intentionally humiliated Hart"

This is a battle pep can never win. But I trust Pep's decision-making more than Hart's tbh!
 
Plain Speaking said:
I think that is a bit disrespectful to Joe.
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So insubordination in front of the watching public in a televised game for 45 min is OK?

Edit - I've re-watched the 2nd half of Arsenal v. City friendly.

Hart's distribution was as follows:
Thrown short: 3
Kicked short: 4
Goal kick short: 1
Kicked long: 3

For the long kicks, Hart had an easy pass short but kicked long anyways on two occasions. For the remaining long kick, Hart had time on the ball and could have waited for passing lanes to open but quickly kicked it long without waiting.

3 goals were scored by Arsenal while Hart was in.
1st goal, down to Hart's left. Probably Hart should have done better.
2nd goal, scoop over Hart - not Hart's fault.
3rd goal, Hart comes out, slides in, momentarily collects the ball and then fumbles it. Clear error.
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So after re-watching this display, I'm going to say it wasn't insubordination.

Yet, there is a clear lack of confidence/desire/whatever on Hart's part to play it short whenever possible.

And Hart had a terrible game in goal, with 1-1/2 errors.

On the basis of Hart's display versus Willy's, it's clear that Willy deserved the start in our first game, and WIlly hasn't done anything poorly enough since to cede the starting role to a comparable keeper.

If you're interested in watching this game, you can see it online here.
 
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Plain Speaking said:
City Watch reporting Pep is going to play quite a few fringe players for the CL game on Wednesday. Giving a run out to Yaya, Fernando, Delph, Clichy and Kelechi. However Hart is to remain on the bench.
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City Watch didn't report anything, they quoted The Mirror who made almost zero gambles in producing an article speculating that Pep would probably rest his top players for the return leg of a 5-0 Champions League Qualifier.

The Mirror are not a reliable source for Pep Guardiola's squad selections.

I do feel sorry for Hart in all this. OK I accept Hart hasn't currently got the skill set Pep wants, but he has been a popular City legend and is a fine keeper, certainly much better than Willy.

He has been completely frozen out after what, 45 minutes of football against Arsenal. Pep says Hart can fight for his place, but he won't even play him when the other fringe players are playing.

There seems attempts at character assassination against anyone who speaks out on BM, (almost cyber bullying?). I have no problem us getting Bravo, but Hart does not appear to have been treated with the respect and dignity I would have expected from our top management team.
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Your argument, as indeed every argument against Pep's decision, is essentially based on two elements:
1. Joe is a club legend, so he deserves special treatment.
2. At least he's better than Willy.

Joe being a club legend is irrelevant in this situation, he's not going to work in Pep's system and didn't give any indication, in pre-season or otherwise, that he would at least try to. According to several sources, including Ian Cheeseman, Joe's footballing ability is even less a concern to Pep than his attitude problems, but even on the footballing level then Joe simply doesn't meet the criteria required at City under Pep.

Willy may not be as good at anything that Joe is, but he's willing to follow instructions and try to make it work, even if it doesn't. This instantly makes him better, and preferable, to Joe and gives him a future with City, albeit as number 2 behind Bravo. Joe has no future at City, therefore it's only wasting play time for Willy in some vain attempt to appease his ego, ie, it's putting a player before the club.

What exactly is dignity and respect for Joe here?
 
This is the champions league, not a testimonial. He'll be at the ground and fans can say goodbye after the game.

Any coach at this stage of the season will want to give his players experience in the system, so giving game time to a player who is leaving is pointless.
 
Bayblue said:
I was out of the country over this whole period. What did Hart do??
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A couple of times he had the ball at his feet, under no pressure, with defenders available, but hoofed it up field. They did seem like small acts of defiance.
 
bobom said:
This is the champions league, not a testimonial. He'll be at the ground and fans can say goodbye after the game.

Any coach at this stage of the season will want to give his players experience in the system, so giving game time to a player who is leaving is pointless.
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Spot on. If Hart is leaving, it would be madness to play him. Benefits nobody who matters at all. For the same reason, I'd be surprised if the Mirror is right about Yaya playing. I can understand Delph, Fernando etc getting some important game time in them under the new system, but Toure is finished at City (at least I hope he is).
 
Dubai Blue said:
Spot on. If Hart is leaving, it would be madness to play him. Benefits nobody who matters at all. For the same reason, I'd be surprised if the Mirror is right about Yaya playing. I can understand Delph, Fernando etc getting some important game time in them under the new system, but Toure is finished at City (at least I hope he is).
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It's the sort of game where Yaya might sparkle. And I don't think the club will want to pay him mega bucks for doing nothing for the next 12 months. If he really isn't in Pep's plans at all, we could with stirring up a bit of interest in him.
 
cibaman said:
It's the sort of game where Yaya might sparkle. And I don't think the club will want to pay him mega bucks for doing nothing for the next 12 months. If he really isn't in Pep's plans at all, we could with stirring up a bit of interest in him.
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You make a fair point. But I just can't see Pep being interested in playing games like that; if he's out of his plans completely then I doubt he'll even be considered for this one.

No one is going to match Yaya's current wages no matter how well he plays, so I think they'll want to make it as clear as possible to him that his future lies elsewhere. If he decides to sit it out, the situation may be revisited once the window has closed. But I don't expect him to feature at all before then.
 
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