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Joe Hart or Willy Caballero
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Hamann Pineapple
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Reports Joe is being offered new 5 year deal so probably Caballero in net for Arsenal
dennishasdoneit
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think Bell has 48.Henkeman said:It occurs to me that Joe Hart is closing in on the record for the most capped City player for England. I think Colin Bell still holds that with 49.
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Completely agree,don't see the fuss,he's poor at the moment !greasedupdeafguy said:Courtois, Howard, De Gea, Begovic all better keepers. Harts been poor for a while and if he wasn't English I doubt he would still be here.twoddlehopper said:greasedupdeafguy said:A top keeper should be saving that simple as.
True, but straight between the legs is difficult in any circumstance, especially one where the lads been able to run 70yrd through three players, but hey let's all just point a Jo, like all the moronic twonks who sit near me. Hart is still one of if not the best in the league. Simple as
Hopefully he can regain his old form but those one on one type situations like on saturday is when you need your keeper to come to the rescue like Courtois did for Chelsea against Leicester.
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I thought he was at fault for the Stoke goal at first but after watching it a few times I think Diouf got really lucky. Joe got his angles spot on and was well set - the shot between his legs was the only place to score.nobody can eat fifty eggs said:Just been watching a gif of the Stoke goal and cannot for the life of me work out what Hart was attempting to do.......really shocking.
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As the actress said to the bishop.George Hannah said:I thought he was at fault for the Stoke goal at first but after watching it a few times I think Diouf got really lucky. Joe got his angles spot on and was well set - the shot between his legs was the only place to score.nobody can eat fifty eggs said:Just been watching a gif of the Stoke goal and cannot for the life of me work out what Hart was attempting to do.......really shocking.
Or is that as the bishop said to the actress?
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Willy Caballero recalls his first meeting with Joe Hart as a Manchester City team-mate. “You think: ‘This guy’s in my position,’ ” he admits. “But we have a very good relationship. He said I spoke very good English and he listened to me. He’s a guy with good ‘vibrations’, good energy. And that’s the important thing: the basic is to stay positive and to push hard.”
Caballero may be sympathetic to the peculiar stresses of the goalkeeping profession – “It’s a very difficult position,” he says, “and I say to the kids: ‘Please don’t say goalkeeper - be a striker!” – but the 32-year-old Argentine has not come to England to be Hart’s understudy.
Hart has come in for close scrutiny in the past three seasons, with serious question marks over whether England’s first-choice can remain the No 1 for his relentlessly ambitious club. The goal conceded in the 1-0 defeat at home against Stoke City last week – when he was easily beaten by Mame Biram Diouf – will only heighten a debate that has gathered intensity since Caballero’s arrival.
“I knew what the situation was before I came here but I think that I made the decision because I was joining a big club and one that was able to win trophies,” Caballero explains, after meeting City fans at a club shop signing session at the Etihad Stadium. “I also took the decision because I think that when you are inside a big team if you train well and you do well in games then you can play. You can be the number one. I know that I am in the second spot right now. But if I do things well in training sessions then I can get the No 1 spot.”
The fact that Caballero had played under Manuel Pellegrini, the City manager, at Malaga made what was a “tough decision” to quit the Spanish club – where his distinctive shaven head and imposing personality had made him a cult figure – a little easier.
“But it was the right decision,” Caballero says. “It was difficult because of what I left behind. I was playing well, I was playing for a club that loved me, the people liked me there; it was a nice city as well. But my instinct as a football player is always to try and grow and try and improve and I think I can do this my joining a big club such as Manchester City.”
Pellegrini has made no promises, although his declaration that in Hart and Caballero – who made his City debut in the Community Shield defeat to Arsenal but has been on the bench so far in the Premier League – he has “two No 1s” has rung true in private as well as public. “I was No 1 with Manuel not so long ago at Malaga,” Caballero says. “I know what my position is right now but I will try and work and try to change that. The manager knows me but I did not expect him to hand me the number one shirt just because I came here. I hope that Joe Hart will continue to do great because that will be good for the team. But I will be ready and I will try to give the manager all the confidence back.”
Goalkeepers are a different breed. Only one can play, and yet there is that mutual support system that, to outsiders, might seem incongruous.
“It would be difficult if there was not a good atmosphere at Carrington but with the three goalkeepers [including Richard Wright] that is not the case,” Caballero says. “I accept my position but also on a daily basis I train hard because we are competing and we want the manager to question himself as to who will be the No 1.”
Hart should, nevertheless, beware. Caballero has a history of seizing opportunities. “The team I used to play for as a kid, we changed goalkeeper every game. Finally I went in goal and we won – and they made me stay there. I didn’t want to be a goalkeeper in the beginning because my dad and uncle used to play in goal and I knew how much you suffer!”
It was the same at Malaga. Caballero, after a stop-start career in Argentina, firstly with Boca Juniors, and then in Spain, signed for the club as an emergency transfer before helping them avoid relegation and then eventually playing an integral role in their astonishing Champions League exploits, which saw them reach the quarter-finals in 2013 before their incredible exit at the hands of Borussia Dortmund.
By then Malaga were in a financial meltdown with their backer, Sheikh Abdullah al-Thani, losing interest, and players not being paid. Pellegrini held it together, but Caballero also played his part. “We did the best year in Malaga’s history but did so with a lot of problems and with incredible things,” Caballero says. “And I think that the way in which he [Pellegrini] behaved – not only as a manager but as a person – will stay us forever. You have to give him a lot of credit.”
On Caballero’s final appearance for Malaga last May, at home to Levante, with rumours rife that he was leaving, the supporters – led by the large English contingent in the town, known as the ‘Guiri Army’(‘Guiri’ is a word used by Spaniards to describe expats) – donned 500 Caballero masks in his honour.
“The guys who wore them were English!” Caballero says. “It was the last game of the season and they saw that I was about to leave but I am very grateful to all the Malaga fans. There were rumours at that stage that I might leave but after the first, second week of holiday those rumours became true. It was delayed but, to be honest, I had the feeling that I would not be going back to Malaga.”
Now he is at City Caballero, who has been strangely overlooked by the Argentina national team after being in the squad that won the 2004 Olympic gold medal, recognises that this is the “biggest challenge of my career” but he is determined to make it a success.
What does he want to achieve? “Everything. Everything,” Caballero says. “I have to play and I want to show myself that I can play in this league. Obviously win titles and hopefully go back with the national squad. I want to be happy with my family in this country as I was in Spain.”
Caballero may be sympathetic to the peculiar stresses of the goalkeeping profession – “It’s a very difficult position,” he says, “and I say to the kids: ‘Please don’t say goalkeeper - be a striker!” – but the 32-year-old Argentine has not come to England to be Hart’s understudy.
Hart has come in for close scrutiny in the past three seasons, with serious question marks over whether England’s first-choice can remain the No 1 for his relentlessly ambitious club. The goal conceded in the 1-0 defeat at home against Stoke City last week – when he was easily beaten by Mame Biram Diouf – will only heighten a debate that has gathered intensity since Caballero’s arrival.
“I knew what the situation was before I came here but I think that I made the decision because I was joining a big club and one that was able to win trophies,” Caballero explains, after meeting City fans at a club shop signing session at the Etihad Stadium. “I also took the decision because I think that when you are inside a big team if you train well and you do well in games then you can play. You can be the number one. I know that I am in the second spot right now. But if I do things well in training sessions then I can get the No 1 spot.”
The fact that Caballero had played under Manuel Pellegrini, the City manager, at Malaga made what was a “tough decision” to quit the Spanish club – where his distinctive shaven head and imposing personality had made him a cult figure – a little easier.
“But it was the right decision,” Caballero says. “It was difficult because of what I left behind. I was playing well, I was playing for a club that loved me, the people liked me there; it was a nice city as well. But my instinct as a football player is always to try and grow and try and improve and I think I can do this my joining a big club such as Manchester City.”
Pellegrini has made no promises, although his declaration that in Hart and Caballero – who made his City debut in the Community Shield defeat to Arsenal but has been on the bench so far in the Premier League – he has “two No 1s” has rung true in private as well as public. “I was No 1 with Manuel not so long ago at Malaga,” Caballero says. “I know what my position is right now but I will try and work and try to change that. The manager knows me but I did not expect him to hand me the number one shirt just because I came here. I hope that Joe Hart will continue to do great because that will be good for the team. But I will be ready and I will try to give the manager all the confidence back.”
Goalkeepers are a different breed. Only one can play, and yet there is that mutual support system that, to outsiders, might seem incongruous.
“It would be difficult if there was not a good atmosphere at Carrington but with the three goalkeepers [including Richard Wright] that is not the case,” Caballero says. “I accept my position but also on a daily basis I train hard because we are competing and we want the manager to question himself as to who will be the No 1.”
Hart should, nevertheless, beware. Caballero has a history of seizing opportunities. “The team I used to play for as a kid, we changed goalkeeper every game. Finally I went in goal and we won – and they made me stay there. I didn’t want to be a goalkeeper in the beginning because my dad and uncle used to play in goal and I knew how much you suffer!”
It was the same at Malaga. Caballero, after a stop-start career in Argentina, firstly with Boca Juniors, and then in Spain, signed for the club as an emergency transfer before helping them avoid relegation and then eventually playing an integral role in their astonishing Champions League exploits, which saw them reach the quarter-finals in 2013 before their incredible exit at the hands of Borussia Dortmund.
By then Malaga were in a financial meltdown with their backer, Sheikh Abdullah al-Thani, losing interest, and players not being paid. Pellegrini held it together, but Caballero also played his part. “We did the best year in Malaga’s history but did so with a lot of problems and with incredible things,” Caballero says. “And I think that the way in which he [Pellegrini] behaved – not only as a manager but as a person – will stay us forever. You have to give him a lot of credit.”
On Caballero’s final appearance for Malaga last May, at home to Levante, with rumours rife that he was leaving, the supporters – led by the large English contingent in the town, known as the ‘Guiri Army’(‘Guiri’ is a word used by Spaniards to describe expats) – donned 500 Caballero masks in his honour.
“The guys who wore them were English!” Caballero says. “It was the last game of the season and they saw that I was about to leave but I am very grateful to all the Malaga fans. There were rumours at that stage that I might leave but after the first, second week of holiday those rumours became true. It was delayed but, to be honest, I had the feeling that I would not be going back to Malaga.”
Now he is at City Caballero, who has been strangely overlooked by the Argentina national team after being in the squad that won the 2004 Olympic gold medal, recognises that this is the “biggest challenge of my career” but he is determined to make it a success.
What does he want to achieve? “Everything. Everything,” Caballero says. “I have to play and I want to show myself that I can play in this league. Obviously win titles and hopefully go back with the national squad. I want to be happy with my family in this country as I was in Spain.”
dennishasdoneit said:think Bell has 48.Henkeman said:It occurs to me that Joe Hart is closing in on the record for the most capped City player for England. I think Colin Bell still holds that with 49.
Accidentally added on David White's....
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Henkeman said:dennishasdoneit said:think Bell has 48.Henkeman said:It occurs to me that Joe Hart is closing in on the record for the most capped City player for England. I think Colin Bell still holds that with 49.
Accidentally added on David White's....
no worries..as a kid i used to lap up all the stats from the back of the football cards /stickers..they are ingraigned on my brain.Bell 48 caps for england,
he really should have won more from what i can see.martin buchan knew what he was doing.
funny how you never hear martin the muppet speak,of his glorious years at man u when they won everything...
what you did martin was deprive this country of one of the finest footballers ever seen.
no wonder you are silent.