joe hart

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Didsbury Dave said:
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Didsbury Dave said:
Big call to be made on joe by the manager. Will dropping him destroy his confidence even further or will it gee him up?

Hard to say without knowing hart intimately. But what I do know is that the lad is committed and intelligent.

I've seen English keepers dropped after a run of poor form who never come back properly. It's not that uncommon. I really wouldn't want that to happen.
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It doesn't matter because any decision has to be what's best for the club and not the player.
If by dropping Joe it destroys his confidence then it shows he doesn't have what it takes to move to the next level, Joe's not a kid he's been on the block a while now.
Plus his confdence looks shot already if you ask me, it might do him a favour.
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I agree the decision has to be in the interests of the club, but what I'm saying is that the long-term impact of giving joe a short,sharp,shock so to speak, might not be in the club's best interests.

He hasn't become a bad keeper overnight but, as is common with young goalies, his confidence is shot.
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Fair play for defending him, but I just cannot agree. You're right, he hasn't become a bad keeper overnight; more so over the last 12 months I would suggest.

The interest's of the club? Or the interests of Joe Hart? Long term/short term -either way, his head seems to have gone, and right now someone else deserves their chance. Step forward Costel.
 
You have to drop him but in the same time get the press on our side. Easier to drop him now and club could tow the line of "we have taken him out the limelight with all the media coverage Joe is receiving and with a huge game for England coming up we did not feel that this was a good time for the media to derail him"

Behind closed doors comment of "fuck me this lad is coming a liability"
 
My first post, been a city fan for 20 years. I remember Tony Coton constantly saving points, even David James, but Joe is costing us. It's not a form thing, he was good at Birmigham on loan, but he's cost us so many points when it matters. We don't need to support him for England because we can't afford his mistakes any more. Brad Friedel at the least.
 
Ample times within this game (and others) I have seen our defenders split side to side to give Hart a short pass. Ample times I have seen him ignore this and just hoof it upfield, prior to him kicking I'm saying "straight to them".

The free kick at the weekend I could see he was too far over to his left leaving a gaping hole, he did the same tonight but the wall worked. Yes the wall is there for a reason but you cannot deny he was out of position.

Hard to decide what to change here as we only really have Pants but I won't wear any Hart goggles when he doesn't deserve it.

He has been praised and credit where credit is due, he / we also have to accept when it isn't goign right!
 
Not sure how true this is but 2 people (both unconnected to each other) have told me he's suffering from mild bouts of depression. Hope it's not true mind, but it can't be easy if you're face is in the public eye constantly and you're not well.
 
Folks keep saying "he hasn't become a bad Goalie overnight" For fuck sake, this has been a substandard form for over a year now. This is not overnight folks. It is beginning to look like the norm. By the way, many players have lost it and never gained it back. Torres is the most recent example. This shaite happens. Some lose it and never get back to their former best.

Sure, most keepers peak in their 30s. But this doesn't mean EVERY keeper will. Most Players peak in their mid to late 20s, but Freddy Adu was best at 18, downhill after. Bojan Krkic hasn't matched is exploits as a 17 year old. Simon Kjear is another example. Players who were fantastic when they were young but never reached their potential, or even starred but fizzled abound aplenty.

So this idea that it cannot happen to one of ours, is just hope.

Truth is "he very well could have become an average goalie overnight." He sure looks average now. Today, he is not the reason we lost. But a great goalie might have kept us in it. (Joe Hart of 3 years ago would have), the present Joe Hart is simply a run of the mill tender. Decent, but nothing special. No different from Allan Mcgregor, Julian Speloni or David Marshall.
 
He's going though a bad time for sure how exposed was he tonight though first one have a free shot Ribery how many have we seen him score like that and Clichy he didn't even know the guy was there for the second third one we fanny with the ball in midfield and they end up getting a free run at goal. Bayern were so much better than us it would have been difficult for any keeper even one in form which Joes not in at the moment I don't know whether it would be best to drop him or not that up to the manager,who incidentally needs to have a look at his performance tonight as well.
 
Len Rum said:
FFS I can't believe people are still trying to defend him on here.
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I agree, it's almost a year since the Dortmund home game - his last great game in my opinion - and since then he has been on the decline.

We should stick with him until the end of the season to see how he fairs, but if he carries on he has to go. No striker could get away with the inconsistent form Joe has shown in the last year or so.

Pantillimon in net on Saturday though, time for Manuel to make a statement to Joe to say that his mistakes will only see him dropped or out of the door, that should keep him on his toes hopefully.
 
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Save us Saint Iker
 
ive never found my self cussing at joe's abysmal defending so much as I was tonight. really wanted to see a solid performance from the team tonight and joe's first decision to not knuckle the ball lead me to instant cussing. needs to be dropped. rest of the season if need be if pant's shows him who's boss.
 
Jumanji said:
Watching the replay, even for the Muller goal, Hart was shite.

Dove when Muller was trying to settle the ball. Not when he shot. Gave him an easier goal.
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Exactly, Lloris would be all over that ball before Muller touched it. Hart watched it all the way and tried to do some shit only when it was way too late.

He is just shit these days, his head is completely gone and it goes worse with each new mistake. I remember him going mental whenever he would concede a goal, even when it wasn't his mistake, he barely reacts these days when he makes a huge mistake.

I'd be shocked if he would start this weekend. And I'd bring Valdes if it is possible, he is in life form, best keeper on the planet this season. Or Forster for longer period.
 
If Hart isn't dropped now he never will be. I think Pantilimon is better than a lot of people give him credit for. He deserves a chance. We then need to go for a new keeper in January.
 
MSP said:
Jumanji said:
Watching the replay, even for the Muller goal, Hart was shite.

Dove when Muller was trying to settle the ball. Not when he shot. Gave him an easier goal.
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Exactly, Lloris would be all over that ball before Muller touched it. Hart watched it all the way and tried to do some shit only when it was way too late.

He is just shit these days, his head is completely went and it goes worse with each new mistake. I remember him going mental wheneverhe would concede a goal, even when it wasn't his mistake, he barely reacts these days whenhe makes a huge mistake.

I'd be shocked if he would start this weekend. And I'd bring Valdes if it is possible, he is in life form, best keeper on the planet this season. Or Forster for longer period.
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Valdes has been one of the best Goalies the last 3 years. Never gets his due. On the transfer forum some called him shaite and being a Barca prop up. I say they haven't been watching. Barca doesn't concede many chances, but when they do it is often clear on goal, 1 v 1. And Valdes has snuffed more than a great goalie's fair share of those Chances.

Better yet, what I like most about Valdes is his alertness. He can be idle all game, then pull off a magic save for the one chance of the opposition. Joe on the other hand seems to need to be under pressure all game. And then he'd warm up to making fantastic saves. Even at his best for City, it was in games when we were being pelted all game, and Joe is busy diving all day. But in games where he has nothing to do for long periods, he seems to lack the mental toughness to wade through the boredom and stay alert for that one magic save he needs to make to keep City in it.

Valdes has that quality in droves.
 
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Yeah, Valdes was always great keeper but this season he is simple outstanding.
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He was in 2011- 2012 too. He was better than Cassilas that year, and was very good last year too. He hasn't been shaky since the 2009-2010 season I believe.
 
He seems to be criticized more for the first goal but the second and third he should have done a lot better in my opinion.

The second one he took an age to come out and it was a feeble attempt to punch the ball away. Muller seems to have an age to do what he likes with the ball. I know if that was Lloris he would have dealt with it before Muller knew what was happening.

The third one is very poor. I'm only letting him off that first because it was hit with such venom. 9 times out of 10 that would be pushed aside perhaps

I don't think Mancini ever gave him the confidence after several mistakes last season and it's carried on from there. He definitely has the talent. He now needs to become mentally strong.

Gomes for Spurs had a huge talent but couldn't hack the mental side of his game, he didn't have age on his side to change that, Joe does. hopefully your new boss can sort him out.

Baines, Barkley and Lukaku are going to have some fun testing him out this weekend
 
Crouchinho said:
He seems to be criticized more for the first goal but the second and third he should have done a lot better in my opinion.

The second one he took an age to come out and it was a feeble attempt to punch the ball away. Muller seems to have an age to do what he likes with the ball. I know if that was Lloris he would have dealt with it before Muller knew what was happening.

The third one is very poor. I'm only letting him off that first because it was hit with such venom. 9 times out of 10 that would be pushed aside perhaps

I don't think Mancini ever gave him the confidence after several mistakes last season and it's carried on from there. He definitely has the talent. He now needs to become mentally strong.

Gomes for Spurs had a huge talent but couldn't hack the mental side of his game, he didn't have age on his side to change that, Joe does. hopefully your new boss can sort him out.

Baines, Barkley and Lukaku are going to have some fun testing him out this weekend
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Fuck! 3 fuckers who can shoot. We really need to dominate the midfield and make sure they don't have the ball. :( Best form of defense. Possession!
 
The second one he took an age to come out and it was a feeble attempt to punch the ball away. Muller seems to have an age to do what he likes with the ball. I know if that was Lloris he would have dealt with it before Muller knew what was happening.
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That's what I said too. hart waited there like some street hooker, Lloris would be all over tha ball before Muller would have a sniff on it.
 
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