joe hart

[JamesA]

The edge has definitely gone out of his game, I think it did out of a few of the City players once we won the league. In that title-winning season Joe was immense and was probably one of the most important reasons we won it in the end.

Not sure what's happened since other than just maybe he was more instinctive as a younger player and now he might be over-thinking things. There have been some really rash decisions inthe last few months and that free-kick yesterday was in a space of the goal where you'd think he'd at least have got near it. Very poor recently and agree some tough decisions might need to be made, e.g. dropping him to give him a shake up.

 

[CatMan]

Why do we bother with walls for free kicks like yesterday.

I would put 2 tall defenders just inside either post and have Joe covering the middle of the goal.

I would have 2 people charging the shot and the rest scattered between the goal area and penalty mark.

The opposition wouldn't have a fucking clue what to do and the likes of Baines and Rooney would be negated.

Across a season we would concede less goals and wouldn't be vulnerable to Shit teams with free kick specialist stealing undeserved points from us.

Currently the concept of lining up a wall encourages the opposition to shoot.

And before anyone says bollocks, I have implemented this system before at 2 military teams I have coached and we never conceded direct from a free kick.

It might be radical, but ffs City, lets be imaginative.

Next week we have Baines to deal with and the instructions to their forwards will be sod trying to shoot, just try to win a free kick!

No doubt Nastasic will oblige.

On Goals on Sunday Brad Friedel explained the reasoning behind always having a wall. I can't full remember exactly what he said but it made obvious sense.

But I will admit I also thought, like a few on here today have, is a wall really necessary. A longstanding Premier League pro gave an emphatic 'yes' so that will do for me :)

He said the pace of the ball in either corner would probably beat him

Please read again, I put a defender inside each post. It not a free shot. Between the ball at around 22 yards plus are 11 of our players and probably 3 to 4 of theirs.

The only option is to hit the ball hard and this can only be done with an obvious run up. Villa's scorer simply clipped the ball over a static wall past a flat footed Hart into an empty net. The only element he had to achieve was a clip. And with regard to how many free kick experts are in military football or any branch of current football I think you would be surprised!

The wall, upon it's inception was considered a useful tool as the ball we played with in the 70's were heavy, and the pitches heavier. The concept that a player could clear the wall and get the ball back down was unheard of.

With modern ball, boots, quality boots and better surfaces it is now a common technique that players easily master. ffs, even Yaya has!

The problem now is that a power shot seldom stays low. Is it not obvious then people that we need to adapt and ask the opposition to master a low shot through a crowd of players from an obvious taker.

I rest my case. The wall has had its day.

 

[manchester blue]

I see your point but you'll get opposition players on the line as well which is equally dangerous. Are you allowed to hang from the crossbar to limit the chance of top corner? Wonder if it's in the rules? :)

 

[Jumanji]

I see your point but you'll get opposition players on the line as well which is equally dangerous. Are you allowed to hang from the crossbar to limit the chance of top corner? Wonder if it's in the rules? :)

If you use the crossbar to try and play the ball, refs will dish out a caution.

 

[sh249]

On Goals on Sunday Brad Friedel explained the reasoning behind always having a wall. I can't full remember exactly what he said but it made obvious sense.

But I will admit I also thought, like a few on here today have, is a wall really necessary. A longstanding Premier League pro gave an emphatic 'yes' so that will do for me :)

He said the pace of the ball in either corner would probably beat him

Please read again, I put a defender inside each post. It not a free shot. Between the ball at around 22 yards plus are 11 of our players and probably 3 to 4 of theirs.

The only option is to hit the ball hard and this can only be done with an obvious run up. Villa's scorer simply clipped the ball over a static wall past a flat footed Hart into an empty net. The only element he had to achieve was a clip. And with regard to how many free kick experts are in military football or any branch of current football I think you would be surprised!

The wall, upon it's inception was considered a useful tool as the ball we played with in the 70's were heavy, and the pitches heavier. The concept that a player could clear the wall and get the ball back down was unheard of.

With modern ball, boots, quality boots and better surfaces it is now a common technique that players easily master. ffs, even Yaya has!

The problem now is that a power shot seldom stays low. Is it not obvious then people that we need to adapt and ask the opposition to master a low shot through a crowd of players from an obvious taker.

I rest my case. The wall has had its day.

Why not just set the wall up across the goal line - all 11!

 

[spiny]

The edge has definitely gone out of his game, I think it did out of a few of the City players once we won the league. In that title-winning season Joe was immense and was probably one of the most important reasons we won it in the end.

Not sure what's happened since other than just maybe he was more instinctive as a younger player and now he might be over-thinking things. There have been some really rash decisions inthe last few months and that free-kick yesterday was in a space of the goal where you'd think he'd at least have got near it. Very poor recently and agree some tough decisions might need to be made, e.g. dropping him to give him a shake up.

I too get the impression he is playing by numbers from a coaching handbook. You need concentration, commitment, bravery and desire for times when the rule book goes out the window. Now he seems to play percentages making him no better than many other keepers. It would explain the bust up between him and Mancini after the Real Madrid game. Joe Harts job is to stop the ball going in Citys goal and to be a platform for possession to attack. When he has the ball he appears to lack urgency compounded by slow release and woeful distribution.

He is a good goalkeeper but needs to lift his game. Top sides need goalkeepers who predictably dominate, bully and intimidate the opposition. Joe needs to get back his mojo.

 

[supercity88]

MaineRoadBlue is correct there, I have always wondered why things are set up the way they are. If we were to cover the goal with defenders on the line it would force the opposition to rethink how they take the free kick. Villa's free kick was not a good free kick, it was a clipped ball over the wall and that was it. Hart was flat footed and the wall was easily beaten. Had we had someone on the line it would not have been a goal. In terms of then playing people onside, the ball would have to be whipped in and the goalkeeper and defenders can come and attack the ball to clear it as they would from a corner or wide free kick. The wall makes sense from long free kicks but it no longer serves its purpose as MRB states, too many free kicks are being score which shows that modern football has overcome the effectiveness of having a wall.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Well a bit superstitious joe hasn't been on top of his game after he changed his squad number from 25 to 1.

Joe hasn't been the same since he signed his name to a hair washing product. Thats the problem in my opinion, and an old Lancashire saying from years ago sums it up:

"Too Big For His Britches"

Thats were Joe Hart is right now!!

Apparently kicked up a fuss about getting his own box.
With his background and roots I didn't think Joe would be such a Diva about these things.

 

[Len Rum]

Although he is clearly a great reflex shot stopper I've heard the same comment from 2 people who know about goalkeeping now - that he doesn't have an explosive take off and that is why it constantly looks like he was unlucky and got his finger tips to it; when a man of his height should have got more to it.

This is depressingly true. When you also consider that he's not the best keeper in the air then I think the signing of a top class keeper will become a priority.
IIn the short term at least Pants would be a safe pair of hands as he's reliable and his ability in dealing with crosses/corners is without question.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

just kick it to a blue shirt, mate. there's a start x