Stats to prove or disprove anything.....one of the reason Pep takes no notice of them. Mangala has been a huge disappointment, the most worrying aspect being he seems to have zero defensive 'sense'. He attacks at the wrong time, he sits off at the wrong time.....Stones all day for me. Seems to be a better 'natural' defender....whatever the hell that means ;)Completely. 87% accuracy with an average pass length of 18m (a good distribution pattern in games as well). Mangala's problems are all down to the guy next to him (left back or right centre half) not doing their job. Demichalis and Kolarov have been truelly awful all season in this respect. As a result he gets pulled out of position to sort their mess out and this leaves a stack of space behind him. What's he supposed to do? Let people have a free run at goal? It was even worse when Yaya was in front of him as Yaya never got back quickly enough to fill in.
I hope Pep gives him a chance but I can understand him wanting better - Mangala isn't exactly calmness personified when it goes tits up at LB or RCH (even though most of the time he deals with the problem).
But better in this case would have to be "The Best" and Stones though with marginally better pass stats (89% ave pass 22m, has more sideways and backwards passes - hence why I think Mangela is slightly better as a passer), Stone's defending is worse. He's also not had to deal with LBs and CHs next to him who can't defend either!
Hope Everton stick to their guns. Mangala is a better defender and passer of the ball - and I'm still not sure whether Mangala is good enough!
.....not sure if serious.....
89% to 87%Completely. 87% accuracy with an average pass length of 18m (a good distribution pattern in games as well). Mangala's problems are all down to the guy next to him (left back or right centre half) not doing their job. Demichalis and Kolarov have been truelly awful all season in this respect. As a result he gets pulled out of position to sort their mess out and this leaves a stack of space behind him. What's he supposed to do? Let people have a free run at goal? It was even worse when Yaya was in front of him as Yaya never got back quickly enough to fill in.
I hope Pep gives him a chance but I can understand him wanting better - Mangala isn't exactly calmness personified when it goes tits up at LB or RCH (even though most of the time he deals with the problem).
But better in this case would have to be "The Best" and Stones though with marginally better pass stats (89% ave pass 22m, has more sideways and backwards passes - hence why I think Mangela is slightly better as a passer), Stone's defending is worse. He's also not had to deal with LBs and CHs next to him who can't defend either!
I remember one of the games towards the end of the season, they put some stat up on the boards above level one stating that Mangala had the best pass completion on that day. This was about 5 minutes after he'd completely sliced a clearance that ended up going back towards the corner flag. He didn't even have an opposition player near him and ended up running to retreave his own "clearance".89% to 87%
22 to 18 metres.
4.3 to 1.8 long balls
47.3 to 43.6 touches per-game
The stats suggest he completes passes at a better rate, and at longer depths, is more involved in team plays and way more lon passes. Most agree intuitively that he is a far superior passer to Mangala. If you really want to discredit someone, attack their strength and argue it's a weakness. If enough people buy it, you win.
Nice try. I think most anti Stones folk have settled on 'error prone' as his weakness, best you join them.
Not fooled by the stats at all. Most CBs have good completion stats. They have to be conservative with their passes most of the time. You know a good passing CB by how involved in buildups he is. Mangala simply isn't., and when he passed on, he often never wants it back. Those are the real signs of a player with weak ball skills. They have no interest in being on the ball. It's a burden to them. Mangala is one of those type defenders.I remember one of the games towards the end of the season, they put some stat up on the boards above level one stating that Mangala had the best pass completion on that day. This was about 5 minutes after he'd completely sliced a clearance that ended up going back towards the corner flag. He didn't even have an opposition player near him and ended up running to retreave his own "clearance".
Don't let the stats fool you.
Forcing him to stay for 2 seasons running is neither good for him or the teamI could see this one dragging on for most of the summer..
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89% to 87%
22 to 18 metres.
4.3 to 1.8 long balls
47.3 to 43.6 touches per-game
The stats suggest he completes passes at a better rate, and at longer depths, is more involved in team plays and way more lon passes. Most agree intuitively that he is a far superior passer to Mangala. If you really want to discredit someone, attack their strength and argue it's a weakness. If enough people buy it, you win.
Nice try. I think most anti Stones folk have settled on 'error prone' as his weakness, best you join them.
Like him as an utility player. Thought he was grossly overrated when he was here. With fans always calling him 'so unappreciated and underrated' any time he had a half decent game, and the overeffusive praise when he had a good game. But now he is underrated because he left and fans are letting their emotions get the better of their analysis.Dax, I know you love a stat. Genuine question, what's your analysis of James Milner as a footballer?