John Stones

[Shaelumstash]

God no.
Ronaldo, Zlatan, Bale, Griezmann, Pogba, Kroos, Ozil, Neuer, Hart, Kane, Payet, Lewandoski, Muller, Busquet, DeBryune, Koke, Silva, Alaba, Ramos, Hummels, Rakitic, Modric, De Gea,....

That's about 20 without checking. No he is not the 5 best player in the Euros. I doubt he is the 5th best at his club.

Is that list based on emotion or quantative data?

 

[Dax777]

Who did the stats? Helen Keller

I'd like to know. :)

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Is that list based on emotion or quantative data?

and there we go. BINGO.

 

[Dax777]

Is that list based on emotion or quantative data?

Quantitative data of their performances in their individual leagues prior to the tournament. I added goalies for good measure. You can add Dele Alli, Hector, Boateng, and the Everton kid to that list. And if you want a complete list of every player better than Milner statistically, give me an hour and half I'll oblige you. But since you have some stat that deems Milner the 5 th best player at the Euros - you mind sharing with us?

The site, their metric, and criteria for reaching that conclusion.

PS: to keep this on topic, Stones isn't better than Milner statistically, even though I consider him a better player.

That's for you FI :)

 

[bluesince76]

Quantitative data of their performances in their individual leagues prior to the tournament. I added goalies for good measure. You can add Dele Alli, Hector, Boateng, and the Everton kid to that list. And if you want a complete list of every player better than Milner statistically, give me an hour and half I'll oblige you. But since you have some stat that deems Milner the 5 th best player at the Euros - you mind sharing with us?

The site, their metric, and criteria for reaching that conclusion.

PS: to keep this on topic, Stones isn't better than Milner statistically, even though I consider him a better player.

That's for you FI :)

I can help with that, as I spat my tea over my laptop when it was mentioned on the BBC site

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=2016/players/index.html

If you're doing stats and Milner comes out 5th best, surely you'd Ctrl+alt+del and try again

 

[Ajm1985]

Quantitative data of their performances in their individual leagues prior to the tournament. I added goalies for good measure. You can add Dele Alli, Hector, Boateng, and the Everton kid to that list. And if you want a complete list of every player better than Milner statistically, give me an hour and half I'll oblige you. But since you have some stat that deems Milner the 5 th best player at the Euros - you mind sharing with us?

The site, their metric, and criteria for reaching that conclusion.

PS: to keep this on topic, Stones isn't better than Milner statistically, even though I consider him a better player.

That's for you FI :)

You realise that Milner was declared the 5th best player going to the Euros, based on his statistics for club and country this year don't you?

 

[BlueAnorak]

89% to 87%
22 to 18 metres.
4.3 to 1.8 long balls
47.3 to 43.6 touches per-game

The stats suggest he completes passes at a better rate, and at longer depths, is more involved in team plays and way more lon passes. Most agree intuitively that he is a far superior passer to Mangala. If you really want to discredit someone, attack their strength and argue it's a weakness. If enough people buy it, you win.

Nice try. I think most anti Stones folk have settled on 'error prone' as his weakness, best you join them.

No thanks.
Anyway they could play together as Stones is right footed and nominally a RCH (who can play LCH and RB).
Not that they probably will as Everton are digging their heels in and it will cost a lot more than we are prepared to pay to him. He just doesn't have the ability to match the sum Everton would require to let him go. Indeed we could probably get Marquinhos from PSG or Raphaël Varane from Real Madrid for the amount of dosh it would take Everton to let him go.

 

[johnmc]

Messi Ronaldo and Milner. Top 3.

 

[Dax777]

All players are assigned a primary position for which they are expected to play the majority of the time.

The player categories are defined as: goalkeepers, full-backs, central defenders, defensive midfielders, central midfielders, attacking midfielders, wingers and forwards.

The data considered for each player is specific to the position type. For example, tackles and interceptions are considered to be key statistics for defensive midfielders, while successful dribbles and crosses are core stats for wingers.

The algorithm uses player stats from all matches, club and national team, and updates after these matches are played. During UEFA EURO 2016, the rankings will update during every match.

Weighting
As the Barometer acts as a form tracker, the more recent the match, the higher the weighting assigned to the data from it i.e. player stats from yesterday are given more significance than those from last week. If a player is not active (e.g. due to injury or non-selection), his ranking will decrease over that period of inactivity.

Additional weighting is attributed for quality of opposition using UEFA coefficients as the foundation of the values.

Once UEFA EURO 2016 starts, statistical events (e.g. goals, assists, tackles, saves) for the 552 players will be given a significantly higher weighting to maintain an accurate ranking of those performing well in France

And the above was what they used. The highlighted underscores the problem.

It's an attempt to show who is in form. If your last 2 friendlies were great, you shoot to the top.

Players who are rested because they are guaranteed spots in their squad fall farther behind. If you played in the Champs or Europa final, you get bumped up.

It's a who is on form rating and not a who is good ratings. That gives more credence to recency of performance than performance over a period.

So no, Milner is NOT statistically the 5 best player in the Euros and his performance over the last year statistically doesn't suggest he is.

 

[Luke The Blue]

Errrm Yeah I wouldn't mind John Stones