John Stones

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domalino said:
It didn't drop when he had an awful 15/16 season, why assume it would be affected by another average season? Plus Koeman is a very good defensive coach who will undoubtedly get better performances out of Stones than Martinez could manage, and even if Stones wants to leave, he'll also want to play, and get in the England team, so he's not going to stay on the sidelines sulking all year.

At the end of the day we want a player they want to keep and have no financial need to sell. We're almost certainly going to pay what they want.
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Classic Domalino post if I've ever seen one. I'll concede that his value is more likely to stay the same than it is to go down but you don't know that his value won't drop either. You also don't know how risk averse the owners are. You're also speculating on how much he'll sulk or won't sulk. He certainly wasn't motivated last year when the club wouldn't let him go. Do it to him twice and you could really mess with his head. You don't know how somebody will take it when you screw with their career twice over. Are you going to be motivated to work for an employer who screwed you out of your dream job once and then denies you the perfect job?

Love you Dom. These are fun.
 
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You're also speculating on how much he'll sulk or won't sulk. He certainly wasn't motivated last year when the club wouldn't let him go. Do it to him twice and you could really mess with his head. You don't know how somebody will take it when you screw with their career twice over. Are you going to be motivated to work for an employer who screwed you out of your dream job once and then denies you the perfect job?

Love you Dom. These are fun.
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So you've complained about my speculation, and then everything following that is speculation of your own.

You've also said his motivation was gone last year - where'd you get that from? His performances dropped, that's not the same thing. In fact given he was a young player, in a team rapidly going downhill and nearly in a relegation fight, it would have been bizarre if his performances didn't take a hit.

No one has ever said his motivation went.
 
domalino said:
So you've complained about my speculation, and then everything following that is speculation of your own.
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That was the game for me. Use the dom method on dom. You were right to point that out though. I think you also knew that I'd retract that statement if you had asked me about it which kind of annoyed me so I had to annoy you back :). I think we have the leverage but I don't even really care what we do. Pretty neutral to whatever happens. Just having fun looking at the other end if it doesn't come through. I think paying the max is the one that would annoy me the most though.

Edit*** Didn't see the addition you made. It was just an educated guess putting 2+2 together to be honest. I think it would be tough for you to prove that it didn't go down. Good points. Definitely something I would say if I was pro stones.
 
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What defensive alternatives are there to John Stones? The £50m being quoted looks steep from my perspective. I think I'd rather have Matic in the defence.
 
I'm convinced the cards are pretty evenly distributed. Since last summer, this lad's wanted to leave. He'll surely be deeply pissed off if this deal does't happen. Koeman's a good manager, but honestly, who that's at all ambitious for his career wouldn't want to work with Pep? Everton doesn't particularly need the money, and this player would improve us, but again, we can do without him too. I've heard nothing whatsoever of either Mangala or Otamendi being shipped out, we've got this player called Kompany (poor injury record recently, but that's not graven in stone), we've also got these youngsters — Adarabioyo, Denayer. No, I really don't think we're any more desperate to buy than they are to sell.
This deal will happen, and on equitable terms for all concerned.
 
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The Guardian are saying Everton want £50m, whilst City are offering £42m. They say "the feeling inside the club is that Everton will ultimately settle for a fee around £45-46m".
 
Awaits post saying 'why are we quibbling over a few million....just get him signed and working with Pep'.....or something very similar!
 
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The Guardian are saying Everton want £50m, whilst City are offering £42m. They say "the feeling inside the club is that Everton will ultimately settle for a fee around £45-46m".
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Isn't Mendes Stone's agent now?
Maybe deliberatly trying to make things as awkward as possible, considering who else he represents
 
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