John Terry [Merged]

[bobmcfc]

Agree completely.........the squad needs a leader!

I think thats what barry was bought for. He can lead the team gerrard-esq style but we need someone in there to marshal the defence. We need someone well-respected, vocal, strong tackler, good header and can play the ball into feet.
SO back to bobs comments Can anyone suggest any alternatives?

i'm gutted lucio went to inter tbh

 

[Sleeping_Easy]

if we fail to snag the real john terry to suggest, we still need to get a player in the mold of him. im very short on viable options to suggest

Bob, we've got our very own John Terry in the making in the form of Ben Mee. Will take a few seasons but imo he has many attributes similar to the way JT plays.

There isn't really another JT out there but we will improve our defence greatly with Lescott if we do manage to land him. Either way I have faith that MH will recruit quality defenders to take us to the next level regardless of who they may be. I'd guess we'll know in the next 7-10 days.

In years to come do you think that we could have a back four of Richards, Onuoha, Mee and McGivern. By this time we'll be in the champions league so are these good enough?

 

[Sleeping_Easy]

I think thats what barry was bought for. He can lead the team gerrard-esq style but we need someone in there to marshal the defence. We need someone well-respected, vocal, strong tackler, good header and can play the ball into feet.
SO back to bobs comments Can anyone suggest any alternatives?

Titus Bramble?

i actually lol'd :D

EDIT* 300!!!

 

[Blueranger]

I have no problem with Terry staying at chelsea, it is not like the Kaka deal where everyone knew he was going to leave this summer, and our snub was over money, status etc.

He is a chelsea player through and through so good on him. I think MH might be miffed as we/he obviously had the nod that a deal was very much on, and he may have to look MH in the eye and explain. Over a covert meeting or such like.

We worried them, and let the world know no one is out of reach! So move on and secure our defence elsewhere.

 

[svennis pennis]

Agree completely.........the squad needs a leader!

I think thats what barry was bought for. He can lead the team gerrard-esq style but we need someone in there to marshal the defence. We need someone well-respected, vocal, strong tackler, good header and can play the ball into feet.
SO back to bobs comments Can anyone suggest any alternatives?

Vincent Kompany.

 

[elanos thumb]

Titus Bramble?

i actually lol'd :D

You do understand that it was i joke right?

 

[BringBackSwales]

Frankly i'm not too bothered if he does sign a new contract with chelsea... at the end of the day it means less money chelsea have to spend on new players and an increasingly likelyhood that Lampard and Ballack will want to engineer new deals - costing them even more money.

Until we hear from the player himself though we should reserve judgement... if we get him, great, if not we move on to our next target. Lescott will be a quality addition and maybe him and Onuoha will be enough. If we're still desperate for another defender someone like Hangerlaand would be good.

Bridge is looking much better this season, man of the match for me against kaiser chiefs, and I think Richards will return to form too. Ned will go from strength to strength and improve on last year so all in all we're already looking stronger than last season without new recruits... especially if you consider that we've got Kompany as an option in defence when he's fit again.

That's assuming Ned stays with us long term - we seem able to pay £100k a week to the likes of bridge and bellamy, but it seems far lower amounts are applicable to the likes of Nedum and Daniel Sturridge - (even Stevie Ireland as a more established young player was apparently not amused with the contract offer at one stage). I personally think we should value the good young players within in a similar way to those we buy, so I am still not 100% convinced we will see the Onouha's and Mee's develop with us long term, but it is just my personal opinion and I hope I am very bloody wrong indeed - I want to see a MANCHESTER CITY team continue with a strong academy presence, it means a lot to a lot of City fans

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Agree completely.........the squad needs a leader!

I think thats what barry was bought for. He can lead the team gerrard-esq style but we need someone in there to marshal the defence. We need someone well-respected, vocal, strong tackler, good header and can play the ball into feet.
SO back to bobs comments Can anyone suggest any alternatives?

Ned?

Kompany?

I'd say they both fit your description pretty well - I don't really see the need for Terry. Lescott and Ned/Kompany looks an extremely credible alternative to me

 

[Dyed Petya]

I don't know much about City owners so I have no idea about their plans,etc etc.

Concerning Abramovich. You are right to a certain degree about unusual times and circumstances in late 80s-early 90s Russia when Roman made his fortune but they're not any more or less unusual then the times of wild capitalism in say, Europe or US. At the foundation of many wealthy dynasties of the Old and New World there's plenty of 'blood money' and first Morgans,Hearsts and Rockefellers had probably as guilty a conscience as the worst criminals of their times. Abramovich came from nothing, he lost both parents when he was very little and he started out from very modest means and ended up one of the richest men in the country. I'm sure he made some choices in his life and career that in the Western society can be viewed as unacceptable but it's easy to pass the judgment from afar when you don't have to live through those experiences yourself.

In any case, this is not the place to discuss Abramovich since it's irrelevant to the thread but I felt that I needed to make a comment.

Bob, I first came to Russia in 1983 as a schoolkid and have been coming back ever since. I worked here as a young corporate lawyer between 1996 and 1999 as well, which was a very, erm, interesting experience. I don't fully agree with everything you say above, but do recognise that it's a legitimate point of view. And I won't deny that Abramovich must have been very astute to rise in the way he did. As you say, though, this probably isn't the place to discuss it.

More generally, and I hope this doesn't sound patronising because it isn't meant to, thanks for debating this last night from a Chelsea point of view. You're right that I made an assumption about your knowledge of certain topics on the basis that very few fans have a knowledge of them. You obviously do, so sorry for that. I occasionally get a bit wound up by fans of other clubs coming on here trading insults about our spending, because I see our 'project' as a bit more complex and sophisticated than that. I was keen to defend our club so was maybe a little more tetchy with you than was warranted.

Anyway, I do wish Chelsea well next season, because I think you're the biggest threat to our dear and beloved neighbours and I'd rather see you winning stuff than them. And if Terry stays - which, despite the recent press reports, I think is still rather up in the air - then I'll respect him for turning down a lorry-load of extra cash with us.

Kind regards,

Peter

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

Never been convinced by the whole thinking it over routine.

This is a very simple deal from Terrys point of view.

The reason he hasn't said anything is it would jeopardise the new deal he wants from Chelsea. The reason his mate Lampard plants the story he might leave is to force Chelseas hand.

John Terry has no intention and never has had any intention of leaving Chelsea for us. This does not suddenly make him a shit, over the hill defender who lacks pace. Nor does it suddenly make him a c**t.

Guess not everbody in the world wants to play for us. No matter how daft that may seem to most of us on here.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

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[Chippy_boy]

Look people, John Terry was never ever going to come straight out and say he was never going to leave Chelsea. He needed us to maintain our interest and he needed Chelsea to think it was a real possibility he could leave.

If he came out at day one and said he was never ever going to leave Chelsea do you think they would offer him a new deal? I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

OK so what you say could very well be true. But the other possibility is that he hasn't said anything because he is in fact thinking of leaving. Sometimes we "typical City!" fans are so pessimistic that we just can't bring ourselves to believe that something marvellous is about to happen.

 

[Chippy_boy]

John Terry has no intention and never has had any intention of leaving Chelsea for us.

What evidence do you have for this?

None.

 

[Sleeping_Easy]

I think thats what barry was bought for. He can lead the team gerrard-esq style but we need someone in there to marshal the defence. We need someone well-respected, vocal, strong tackler, good header and can play the ball into feet.
SO back to bobs comments Can anyone suggest any alternatives?

Vincent Kompany.

Agree mate but i dont know if he'll be ready next season. He's still only young, but i would love nothing better than or him to come through and be our captian. It would shut up a few of my rag mates who have been calling him crap and wait for it heres the best bit, they said he couldnt even get in our team because he wasn't in it to face the pirates or kaiser chiefs. Something called a fucking injury

 

[BringBackSwales]

I think there is one party who has not behaved particularly well here, and it ain't City and it ain't Chelsea, it's John Terry - for christ's sake man stop dithering, you are either staying and if so just say so and we will move on, and if not tell us so and Chelsea can replace you and, but either way for god's sake be a man and make a flipping decision, it's gone on too long now and frankly it's becoming a bit tedious

 

[Didsbury Dave]

i'm getting irritated by smartarse Blues saying "he was never going to come anyway".

The deal's not dead yet and even if he stays, we certainly got close.

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

John Terry has no intention and never has had any intention of leaving Chelsea for us.

What evidence do you have for this?

None.

Since when did anybody have to have evidence for an opinion. Oh sorry forgot this is the land where we hound people off a public forum for daring to not agree with the keyboard warriors.

 

[kippax71]

John Terry is a ****.

If he had wanted to stay so badly, he would have come out and said so straight away and not played with the minds of many a Chelsea fan.

If he wanted to go, he would have made it clear by now, the silence is bullshit, it serves no purpose other than to strengthen his own position in regards to fueling media speculation and negotiating a new contract.

Why are we still there? Eto'o would have been just as big (imo bigger) signing and we walked away when that deal looked more hopeful. JT imo has shown his true colours and he has hardly endeared himself to either Chelsea or City fans... His accountant might like him even more, but he'll be an even bigger **** than he already is.

If Terry comes great if not well at least we had a go. But I think its great that city are leaving the offer on the table. Good way to unsettle chelsea during pre season. Yes they might be winning some games but all the headlines are about terry and not the football. Even the reporters are asking the players more on terry than anything else.

 

[bluemoon32]

i'm getting irritated by smartarse Blues saying "he was never going to come anyway".

The deal's not dead yet and even if he stays, we certainly got close.

True , although getting 'close' helps us not one iota on the pitch.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don't know much about City owners so I have no idea about their plans,etc etc.

Concerning Abramovich. You are right to a certain degree about unusual times and circumstances in late 80s-early 90s Russia when Roman made his fortune but they're not any more or less unusual then the times of wild capitalism in say, Europe or US. At the foundation of many wealthy dynasties of the Old and New World there's plenty of 'blood money' and first Morgans,Hearsts and Rockefellers had probably as guilty a conscience as the worst criminals of their times. Abramovich came from nothing, he lost both parents when he was very little and he started out from very modest means and ended up one of the richest men in the country. I'm sure he made some choices in his life and career that in the Western society can be viewed as unacceptable but it's easy to pass the judgment from afar when you don't have to live through those experiences yourself.

In any case, this is not the place to discuss Abramovich since it's irrelevant to the thread but I felt that I needed to make a comment.

Bob, I first came to Russia in 1983 as a schoolkid and have been coming back ever since. I worked here as a young corporate lawyer between 1996 and 1999 as well, which was a very, erm, interesting experience. I don't fully agree with everything you say above, but do recognise that it's a legitimate point of view. And I won't deny that Abramovich must have been very astute to rise in the way he did. As you say, though, this probably isn't the place to discuss it.

All I can say (Off topic) is that every time I go on holiday somewhere exotic there's a whole bunch of miserable, massive, musclebound russian gangsters with their prozzies, staying in the presidential suite and buying Chateaux bloody Latour piling on plates of breakfast goodies and throwing 90% of it away and being TOTAL AND UTTER ARSEHOLES and miserable shites.

They treat the staff like utter shite and the staff have to put up with it because they stay for months and spend $$$$$$$.

It's just completely dreadful.

Rant over.