Need to be careful with young full backs from la liga. I have not seen much of this lad to be fair but the lad the scousers bought, Alberto Moreno, was tearing up that league at full back last year and he is absolute shite in the Premier League. Looks a liability every game. Maybe someone who watches more La Liga than me can tell me if he is performing better then Moreno last year and if he can transition better from what they have seen?
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BenLlewellyn
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KevR_7 said:Need to be careful with young full backs from la liga. I have not seen much of this lad to be fair but the lad the scousers bought, Alberto Moreno, was tearing up that league at full back last year and he is absolute shite in the Premier League. Looks a liability every game. Maybe someone who watches more La Liga than me can tell me if he is performing better then Moreno last year and if he can transition better from what they have seen?
I would say Zaba's done alright ;)
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So has Bernat who also came from Valencia.BenLlewellyn said:KevR_7 said:Need to be careful with young full backs from la liga. I have not seen much of this lad to be fair but the lad the scousers bought, Alberto Moreno, was tearing up that league at full back last year and he is absolute shite in the Premier League. Looks a liability every game. Maybe someone who watches more La Liga than me can tell me if he is performing better then Moreno last year and if he can transition better from what they have seen?
I would say Zaba's done alright ;)
andersmcfcdk said:So has Bernat who also came from Valencia.BenLlewellyn said:KevR_7 said:Need to be careful with young full backs from la liga. I have not seen much of this lad to be fair but the lad the scousers bought, Alberto Moreno, was tearing up that league at full back last year and he is absolute shite in the Premier League. Looks a liability every game. Maybe someone who watches more La Liga than me can tell me if he is performing better then Moreno last year and if he can transition better from what they have seen?
I would say Zaba's done alright ;)
Bernat I agree is a good player but you also have Moreno and Monreal who haven't been great. Manquillo not made much of an impact either.
Just think we need to be careful with the left back position as we are all hoping Mangala comes good next season on that left side so I would prefer maybe someone more established with Clichy as backup. Rodriguez at Wolfsburg looks a player we should be looking at while hoping Angelino can replace Clichy in a few seasons.
Manquillo barely played for Athletico and Moreno being shite defensively has nothing to do with La Liga, glad we didn't go for him he put in one of the worst left back displays I've seen in the Europa final. Any one who watched him once in La Liga could've told you he was a liability defensively. Gaya miles better don't matter though doubt we have a chance of getting him.
Well the initial assumption is wrong, Moreno never tore up the Spanish Leaguue. He was average there, and he has been average for Pool. and yes Gaya is a lot better, and Moreno transferred pretty well. He was average in La Liga's and has continued to be average here.KevR_7 said:Need to be careful with young full backs from la liga. I have not seen much of this lad to be fair but the lad the scousers bought, Alberto Moreno, was tearing up that league at full back last year and he is absolute shite in the Premier League. Looks a liability every game. Maybe someone who watches more La Liga than me can tell me if he is performing better then Moreno last year and if he can transition better from what they have seen?
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MCFC4EVR said:Manquillo barely played for Athletico and Moreno being shite defensively has nothing to do with La Liga, glad we didn't go for him he put in one of the worst left back displays I've seen in the Europa final. Any one who watched him once in La Liga could've told you he was a liability defensively. Gaya miles better don't matter though doubt we have a chance of getting him.
Why's that?
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Signing this player would effectively end Angelino's career here. We struggle integrating 1 youngster into the team, no chance of having 2 teenagers in the squad, let alone in the same position.
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mansour's tow ropes said:Signing this player would effectively end Angelino's career here. We struggle integrating 1 youngster into the team, no chance of having 2 teenagers in the squad, let alone in the same position.
Sorry fella but at the price he is available for we have to go for him.
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richards30 said:mansour's tow ropes said:Signing this player would effectively end Angelino's career here. We struggle integrating 1 youngster into the team, no chance of having 2 teenagers in the squad, let alone in the same position.
Sorry fella but at the price he is available for we have to go for him.
I take it you know more about the player than me, he's just a name to me, but you see my point? If we are to successfully integrate academy products into the first team we have to invest a bit of faith in them, and this signing would represent the opposite of that.
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Is the expectation not to have replaced both Kolarov and Clichy in the next 2/3 years?
If we are then that gives us time to purchase someone like Gaya and assess whether Angelino can make the step up after some appearances for us (preseason /LC/sub) and a good loan placement.
From the little I know about both players I'm a bit concerned that they have similar strengths and weaknesses so if we went for a Gaya rather than a more solid, defensive minded LB that maybe would give a clue about our commitment to the style of play we will be using?
If we are then that gives us time to purchase someone like Gaya and assess whether Angelino can make the step up after some appearances for us (preseason /LC/sub) and a good loan placement.
From the little I know about both players I'm a bit concerned that they have similar strengths and weaknesses so if we went for a Gaya rather than a more solid, defensive minded LB that maybe would give a clue about our commitment to the style of play we will be using?
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mansour's tow ropes said:richards30 said:mansour's tow ropes said:Signing this player would effectively end Angelino's career here. We struggle integrating 1 youngster into the team, no chance of having 2 teenagers in the squad, let alone in the same position.
Sorry fella but at the price he is available for we have to go for him.
I take it you know more about the player than me, he's just a name to me, but you see my point? If we are to successfully integrate academy products into the first team we have to invest a bit of faith in them, and this signing would represent the opposite of that.
I most certainly get your point blue and at present angelino is looking top notch and has huge potential. Gaya is quite a distance ahead of our young jedi at the moment and is obviously playing first team football and looking good in his role as well. We made a mistake not going for jordi alba and i hope we dont make the same mistake again. Imagine tieing up a position for 10 years plus?
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Deepest Blue said:Is the expectation not to have replaced both Kolarov and Clichy in the next 2/3 years?
If we are then that gives us time to purchase someone like Gaya and assess whether Angelino can make the step up after some appearances for us (preseason /LC/sub) and a good loan placement.
From the little I know about both players I'm a bit concerned that they have similar strengths and weaknesses so if we went for a Gaya rather than a more solid, defensive minded LB that maybe would give a clue about our commitment to the style of play we will be using?
One of the things I`ve always noticed about Angelino,he seems to be able to put himself about in a tackle.I know we need more than that but the lad also has pace.I would love to see him given a chance at first team level,possibly in an early round of the League Cup next season.
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That's good to know that he's more than just a twinkletoes :)oakiecokie said:Deepest Blue said:Is the expectation not to have replaced both Kolarov and Clichy in the next 2/3 years?
If we are then that gives us time to purchase someone like Gaya and assess whether Angelino can make the step up after some appearances for us (preseason /LC/sub) and a good loan placement.
From the little I know about both players I'm a bit concerned that they have similar strengths and weaknesses so if we went for a Gaya rather than a more solid, defensive minded LB that maybe would give a clue about our commitment to the style of play we will be using?
One of the things I`ve always noticed about Angelino,he seems to be able to put himself about in a tackle.I know we need more than that but the lad also has pace.I would love to see him given a chance at first team level,possibly in an early round of the League Cup next season.
Suppose we could always use Mangala as physical backup plan from time to time if we're up against someone like Robben?
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Deepest Blue said:That's good to know that he's more than just a twinkletoes :)oakiecokie said:Deepest Blue said:Is the expectation not to have replaced both Kolarov and Clichy in the next 2/3 years?
If we are then that gives us time to purchase someone like Gaya and assess whether Angelino can make the step up after some appearances for us (preseason /LC/sub) and a good loan placement.
From the little I know about both players I'm a bit concerned that they have similar strengths and weaknesses so if we went for a Gaya rather than a more solid, defensive minded LB that maybe would give a clue about our commitment to the style of play we will be using?
One of the things I`ve always noticed about Angelino,he seems to be able to put himself about in a tackle.I know we need more than that but the lad also has pace.I would love to see him given a chance at first team level,possibly in an early round of the League Cup next season.
Suppose we could always use Mangala as physical backup plan from time to time if we're up against someone like Robben?
Call me old fashioned.His hat trick over the weekend means nowt if a defender can`t defend,but goes bombing forward all the time,leaving us exposed.The lad also does seem to be able to beat a man with his dribbling ability and I would love to see him replace Kolarov but keep Clichy as our number one.
Just see this playing out like the Isco transfer but Valencia are on the up unlike Malaga if Real Madrid are after him I see them pulling out all the stops re agent fees and payments to relatives.Sergi0 Na5r1 said:MCFC4EVR said:doubt we have a chance of getting him.
Why's that?
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We should put in a bid for him if his buyout is 13m pounds. Very promising at his age and who knows maybe he wants to play in England.
Agreed. No-brainer really.Sergi0 Na5r1 said:We should put in a bid for him if his buyout is 13m pounds. Very promising at his age and who knows maybe he wants to play in England.
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mansour's tow ropes said:richards30 said:mansour's tow ropes said:Signing this player would effectively end Angelino's career here. We struggle integrating 1 youngster into the team, no chance of having 2 teenagers in the squad, let alone in the same position.
Sorry fella but at the price he is available for we have to go for him.
I take it you know more about the player than me, he's just a name to me, but you see my point? If we are to successfully integrate academy products into the first team we have to invest a bit of faith in them, and this signing would represent the opposite of that.
FB is the one position I think it is wise to rotate. Gaya and Clichy for two years and Gaya and Angelino for 8 years would work for me.