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Juan Mata (Merged)
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
I already complained about the meanies on the "we are being poached thread." At the least, I have to appear to be nice for a few posts :D<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:02 am --<br /><br />Ha! Just saw your earlier response. Meanie!!! :Pjjeangi said:Dax, you actually asked why not...You're waaaay nicer than I am. :D
Re: Juan Mata is a must
For one, Mata needs to play behind the striker.
So if we have:
---------De Jong-----------Yaya------------
Silva---------------Tevez--------------Mata
---------------Mario/Dzeko-------------------
Both Silva and Mata will naturall come in, and our play with be very direct and central. No width at all unless kolarov and richards come through. This will not work because:
a.) how passing is not as good as Barca's
b.) we play on defence and pushing both Fullback's forward will not do us favours.
Dax777 said:Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
For one, Mata needs to play behind the striker.
So if we have:
---------De Jong-----------Yaya------------
Silva---------------Tevez--------------Mata
---------------Mario/Dzeko-------------------
Both Silva and Mata will naturall come in, and our play with be very direct and central. No width at all unless kolarov and richards come through. This will not work because:
a.) how passing is not as good as Barca's
b.) we play on defence and pushing both Fullback's forward will not do us favours.
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
i even approved the post:)
jjeangi said:Dax, you actually asked why not...You're waaaay nicer than I am. :D
i even approved the post:)
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
that looks abit tasty bud!!! hopefully carlos will still be the striker then jesus watch us go!!20sbc07 said:I think we'll bring in Sanchez and Mata, play them both along with silva and a striker.
______Yaya____Nige___
Sanchez___Silva___Mata
_________Striker______
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Thus, you are wrong to assume Mata "needs" to play behind the striker, he doesn't. He can play there, but can also play anywhere else in the attacking areas.
As for width- Our coach is Mancini, and like many continental coaches, and even English coach's for that matter (width is provided by the fullbacks) not the Attacking midfielders. Sure they would provide width sporadically, but the consistent production from the flanks should come from overlapping fullbacks. That is how 4231 is mean't to work. The whole point of having 2 DMs is to afford enough cover for overlapping fullbacks. Besides our ability to possess the ball intelligently will be doubled with Mata, and thus fewer breakaway's by the opposition will occur.
In reality Mata is more likely to be a far superior addition to our sqaud than Sanchez (at least in the 1st year or 2). However if Sanchez reaches his expected potential, he has the capacity to become a top 3 individual force in the mold of a Cristiano, Robben or Ribery. Someone that is just individually unstoppable. But as for team play, he is far less likely to give us half what the likes of Mata will in their 1st year. And if he doesn't reach his full potential (which is a possible outcome) then Mata would be the better addition regardless of time.
Sanchez will be potentially great for us eventually. Mata will almost certainly be Suarez good for us immediately.
K75, I think you have the philosophy and likely starts all wrong. If we get Mata and Tevez is still around, Tevez will start as the Striker, not Dzeko/Balo. More likely than not considering Mancini's love for Balo, I wouldn't be suprised to see him starting on the right (where you have Silva) and SIlva where you have Tevez. And you are correct, Mata would probably Start left, but I can see him and SIlva interchanging roles seamlessly. They used to do that back at Valencia.K7S LFC said:Dax777 said:Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
For one, Mata needs to play behind the striker.
So if we have:
---------De Jong-----------Yaya------------
Silva---------------Tevez--------------Mata
---------------Mario/Dzeko-------------------
Both Silva and Mata will naturall come in, and our play with be very direct and central. No width at all unless kolarov and richards come through. This will not work because:
a.) how passing is not as good as Barca's
b.) we play on defence and pushing both Fullback's forward will not do us favours.
Thus, you are wrong to assume Mata "needs" to play behind the striker, he doesn't. He can play there, but can also play anywhere else in the attacking areas.
As for width- Our coach is Mancini, and like many continental coaches, and even English coach's for that matter (width is provided by the fullbacks) not the Attacking midfielders. Sure they would provide width sporadically, but the consistent production from the flanks should come from overlapping fullbacks. That is how 4231 is mean't to work. The whole point of having 2 DMs is to afford enough cover for overlapping fullbacks. Besides our ability to possess the ball intelligently will be doubled with Mata, and thus fewer breakaway's by the opposition will occur.
In reality Mata is more likely to be a far superior addition to our sqaud than Sanchez (at least in the 1st year or 2). However if Sanchez reaches his expected potential, he has the capacity to become a top 3 individual force in the mold of a Cristiano, Robben or Ribery. Someone that is just individually unstoppable. But as for team play, he is far less likely to give us half what the likes of Mata will in their 1st year. And if he doesn't reach his full potential (which is a possible outcome) then Mata would be the better addition regardless of time.
Sanchez will be potentially great for us eventually. Mata will almost certainly be Suarez good for us immediately.