Juanma Lillo leaves to become Al-Sadd Head Coach

[Chi-town blues]

sheikh mansour flew to spain
on his rocket apollo
got us back a tiny pivot
juanma lillo



coat

 

[Shaelumstash]

Probably lol, although I don't intend it to be that way. I guess I'm adopting the old calling a spade a spade mentality that's so popular on here.

Most people complaining about Lillo earlier in the thread were saying we’d changed our style of play and it wasn’t working (we were 14th) and that it was boring to watch.

Pep is on record as saying he “didn’t like” the team, and in November went back to our old style of play. Which we did, to great success.

And you’re using that chain of events to say the people complaining in October had it all wrong?! Strange one.

It’s similar to the people gloating about Gundogan having a great 2nd half of the season as if it justifies his previous bog average 4 years. Lol

 

[mccity]

Most people complaining about Lillo earlier in the thread were saying we’d changed our style of play and it wasn’t working (we were 14th) and that it was boring to watch.

Pep is on record as saying he “didn’t like” the team, and in November went back to our old style of play. Which we did, to great success.

And you’re using that chain of events to say the people complaining in October had it all wrong?! Strange one.

It’s similar to the people gloating about Gundogan having a great 2nd half of the season as if it justifies his previous bog average 4 years. Lol

Most people complaining about Lillo were pinning many of our problems on him without any evidence he was primarily responsible for any of it. Nothing you wrote is relevant to that point. In fact you're continuously missing my original point.

This isn't about gloating, it's about pointing out that too many people have a bad habit of jumping to LONG TERM conclusions on things despite going on to be proven wrong time and time again.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Most people complaining about Lillo were pinning many of our problems on him without any evidence he was primarily responsible for any of it. Nothing you wrote is relevant to that point. In fact you're continuously missing my original point.

This isn't about gloating, it's about pointing out that too many people have a bad habit of jumping to LONG TERM conclusions on things despite going on to be proven wrong time and time again.

How about these articles for “evidence”?

Possession is nine-tenths of the bore: How 4-2-3-1 is sucking the fun out of the Premier League

Two-thirds of the Premier League are at it, writes Dan Sung – which is inevitably leading to a relatively goal-free campaign...

www.fourfourtwo.com

Juanma Lillo: Coach Watch - The Coaches' Voice

Juanma Lillo has returned to assist Pep Guardiola at Manchester City after a year at Al Sadd in Qatar. We look at his principles

www.coachesvoice.com

Lillo is not only quoted as being a staunch 4231 die hard, he’s credited with actually INVENTING the system itself.

Pep has played the overwhelming majority of his career with a 433.

At the start of this season he inexplicably changed to 4231. He had the worst start to a season in his career a coach.

And his assistant manager starting his first full season as assistant is a self confessed 4231 zealot who claims to have invented the system itself.

In November after a call with Arrigho Sacchi, Pep is on record as saying he didn’t like the way we were playing and we went back to his regular 433.

This sounds like a job for AC-12.

 

[mccity]

How about these articles for “evidence”?

Possession is nine-tenths of the bore: How 4-2-3-1 is sucking the fun out of the Premier League

Two-thirds of the Premier League are at it, writes Dan Sung – which is inevitably leading to a relatively goal-free campaign...

www.fourfourtwo.com

Juanma Lillo: Coach Watch - The Coaches' Voice

Juanma Lillo has returned to assist Pep Guardiola at Manchester City after a year at Al Sadd in Qatar. We look at his principles

www.coachesvoice.com

Lillo is not only quoted as being a staunch 4231 die hard, he’s credited with actually INVENTING the system itself.

Pep has played the overwhelming majority of his career with a 433.

At the start of this season he inexplicably changed to 4231. He had the worst start to a season in his career a coach.

And his assistant manager starting his first full season as assistant is a self confessed 4231 zealot who claims to have invented the system itself.

In November after a call with Arrigho Sacchi, Pep is on record as saying he didn’t like the way we were playing and we went back to his regular 433.

This sounds like a job for AC-12.

It looks like you're trying to argue a point that's not really relevant to mine. I'll leave you be.

 

[Shaelumstash]

It looks like you're trying to argue a point that's not really relevant to mine. I'll leave you be.

“Most people complaining about Lillo were pinning many of our problems on him without any evidence he was primarily responsible for any of it.”

I’ve just given you a dossier of evidence and you’re saying it’s not “relevant” to your point? Mind-boggling.

Your point about LONG TERM isn’t at all relevant either. I didn’t see anyone mention our early season form was a long term problem created by Lillo.

I just saw a few saying our slow, pedestrian football with no pressing was related to us playing 4231 and a major reason we were playing shite.

Happy for you to leave me to it because it seems you haven’t the foggiest what your own point is, so I’ve got no chance.

 

[samarasra]

Most people complaining about Lillo earlier in the thread were saying we’d changed our style of play and it wasn’t working (we were 14th) and that it was boring to watch.

Pep is on record as saying he “didn’t like” the team, and in November went back to our old style of play. Which we did, to great success.

And you’re using that chain of events to say the people complaining in October had it all wrong?! Strange one.

It’s similar to the people gloating about Gundogan having a great 2nd half of the season as if it justifies his previous bog average 4 years. Lol

"Pep is on record as saying he “didn’t like” the team, and in November went back to our old style of play." But we didn't go back to our old style did we. He adjusted the team ie. Cancelo supporting Rodri in possession with Gundogan pushing farther forward than he ever has, or Zinchenko coming in to do something similar on the left, using a false 9 etc. There were no more regular 4/5/6 thrashings of weaker teams and conceding stupid goals where we should be winning, wasn't that our "old style" ? Why we arguably regressed in 19/20. We evolved into a system that best suited the circumstances and squad, as Pep said repeatedly, less running , moving the ball quicker not making the players run too much , more solid in defence. Yes Pep said he "didn't like" the team, but if you read the articles on Lillo and look at the 21 winning run games, he didn't go back to any old style, he tweaked until we settled into a newer system, it just didn't happen overnight.

 

[samarasra]

How about these articles for “evidence”?

Possession is nine-tenths of the bore: How 4-2-3-1 is sucking the fun out of the Premier League

Two-thirds of the Premier League are at it, writes Dan Sung – which is inevitably leading to a relatively goal-free campaign...

www.fourfourtwo.com

Juanma Lillo: Coach Watch - The Coaches' Voice

Juanma Lillo has returned to assist Pep Guardiola at Manchester City after a year at Al Sadd in Qatar. We look at his principles

www.coachesvoice.com

Lillo is not only quoted as being a staunch 4231 die hard, he’s credited with actually INVENTING the system itself.

Pep has played the overwhelming majority of his career with a 433.

At the start of this season he inexplicably changed to 4231. He had the worst start to a season in his career a coach.

And his assistant manager starting his first full season as assistant is a self confessed 4231 zealot who claims to have invented the system itself.

In November after a call with Arrigho Sacchi, Pep is on record as saying he didn’t like the way we were playing and we went back to his regular 433.

This sounds like a job for AC-12.

So we've won the Carabao Cup, top the PL, CL finalists with A. various midfielders playing as centre forward in a traditional 433, rarely or B. with a rotating group of midfielders in a 4312/4321 mainly. How many games have we had an old style centre forward play in an old style 433 since November ?.

 

[Shaelumstash]

"Pep is on record as saying he “didn’t like” the team, and in November went back to our old style of play." But we didn't go back to our old style did we. He adjusted the team ie. Cancelo supporting Rodri in possession with Gundogan pushing farther forward than he ever has, or Zinchenko coming in to do something similar on the left, using a false 9 etc. There were no more regular 4/5/6 thrashings of weaker teams and conceding stupid goals where we should be winning, wasn't that our "old style" ? Why we arguably regressed in 19/20. We evolved into a system that best suited the circumstances and squad, as Pep said repeatedly, less running , moving the ball quicker not making the players run too much , more solid in defence. Yes Pep said he "didn't like" the team, but if you read the articles on Lillo and look at the 21 winning run games, he didn't go back to any old style, he tweaked until we settled into a newer system, it just didn't happen overnight.

You’re entirely missing the point.

We started the season invariably playing 4231, with Gundogan and Rodri both holding and DeBruyne as a (largely ineffective) lone number 10.

We definitely changed back to 433 - Rodri holding with Gundogan pushed higher up alongside Bernado or DeBruyne.

Guardiola even mentioned at the time that going back to our more familiar shape, everyone knew their positions and passing lines with their eyes closed.

I agree our defensive line has been deeper this season than in the past. But I’m not talking about that.

I’m talking about the difference between 4231 and 433, and if you don’t think there are major differences, I don’t have time to explain them.

 

[Shaelumstash]

So we've won the Carabao Cup, top the PL, CL finalists with A. various midfielders playing as centre forward in a traditional 433, rarely or B. with a rotating group of midfielders in a 4312/4321 mainly. How many games have we had an old style centre forward play in an old style 433 since November ?.

Who mentioned old style centre forwards?

It’s perfectly normal to play 433 with a false 9, Guardiola did it rather famously with Messi at Barca.

Those other numbers you wrote down just look like meaningless telephone numbers.

Guardiola’s teams are always fluid in possession, if you’re struggling with what I’m talking about - the major difference pre-November and post-November is that we invariably played with 2 holding midfielders pre-November and invariably with 1 holding midfielder post-November.

Please don’t come back with the anomalies, I know them, that’s why I said “invariably”.