vamps said:No more Brazilians for me after Robinho....
Off-course I'll take him. A good player is a good player. If we can add more why pass. But here is the thing, Pastore will be on the move in the summer. Perhaps Kaka too. If it is a choice, Pastore all day for me.SamTheGuru said:Dax777 said:Nah Not everyone. Just me :P I guess for me part of the beauty would be watching him try to go from a prospect into a superstar. I'd rather that than watch Kaka slowly deteriorate. Assuming that hasn't begun already.
He is 28, around the age when Brazilians start to decline drastically. He will be moving to a different league, wih a different style, on the heels of an injury and battered confidence from a poor WC showing, an injury and inability to get games in Madrid.
Sorry. Pass! Let him go back to Milan. That is where he is most likely to find his form and comfort again.
Kaka doesn't have experience playing in the Premiership. There is nothing naive about that. It is just a fact. He doesn't. Anyway all this will become clear in a few years. Hoep we are here to revisit. But just from a historical view, it is certain Kaka will decline, the only uncertainty is whether Pastore will rise to greatness. I am willing to take that risk. It is less risky than Kaka. Who's decline is a certainty!
Let's put this into some sort of perspective. So, Pastore aside.....are you saying that should the opportunity arise and no other ones (Pastore or whoever else the papers are telling you is the next best thing since sliced bread) were available, you would pass up on the offer to rely on Silva for another full season?
Mad 4 It said:To all the Kaka lovers.. and I'm not talking about those who like watching scat movies! becareful what you wish for. If they are willing to sell I bet they would want Tevez involved in any deal.
If Tevez does leave in the summer then Real is probably the only place he could go, then I would suggest the deal goes something like Kaka and Higuain to us Tevez the other way. And just to make things worse we get Ade back at the end of his loan.
Personally, I would not want Kaka at City. He had his chance and that's it... For me it would send out the wrong message about City in that players could try somewhere else before coming to us and then what would be there motive for then coming to us... yes you guessed it MONEY. Errr no thanks.
Better to try and swap Ade for Higuain plus £10 million then we have are 4 forwards and we know Tevez can play with this guy with Tevez sitting just behind him.
Dax777 said:Off-course I'll take him. A good player is a good player. If we can add more why pass. But here is the thing, Pastore will be on the move in the summer. Perhaps Kaka too. If it is a choice, Pastore all day for me.SamTheGuru said:Let's put this into some sort of perspective. So, Pastore aside.....are you saying that should the opportunity arise and no other ones (Pastore or whoever else the papers are telling you is the next best thing since sliced bread) were available, you would pass up on the offer to rely on Silva for another full season?
And just as a side note, my view on Pastore is not some cull from the dailies view. I have watched at least 2 dozen of his games in the last year and a half. And I watch a ton of Italian football . I can tell you all his strengths and weaknesses. I can recite actions in specific games. This is not some "youtube video clip and read the papers" view.
1. Espn has the rights to All Serie A games in the States. So pretty much you get to see most of the Italian games every week. Further more, replays are stored on Espn3 and on my Tivo for revisits. So I know Pastore as well as I know any City player.
3. I enjoy watching young up and coming prospects. At least those in Germany, Italy and Spain. Can't stomach too much French football, so I am not as up on them or the Dutch. And I don't get to see enough Portuguese games to have a solid opinion except for Porto and Benfica who get all the coverage here.
4. So when it comes to prospects in Europe but outside of the Premiership, my view is not "what the papers say" induced. I actually watch. And in the last year and a half, I haven't seen a prospect I believe will improve City better than Pastore. Perhaps Sahin, Goetz, in Germany may provide similar quality. Perhaps Jovetic in Italy if his injury is not destructive. Turan in Turkey maybe. But outside of those names, no one already on the scene getting major minutes comes close. He is frankly that good. Best way to put it is this: Pastore is Silva good! You can take that to the bank.
And that isn't from the papers!
Mad 4 It said:Dax
I dont think we will have 4 forwards because I doubt Ballotelli will be with us after the summer unless he can mature over the next 3 months. Personally, I would prefer Higuain, Tevez and Dzeko if we are only to have 3 forwards
SamTheGuru said:I might have a look at him over the next couple of weeks. I just often notice that a lot of people fall into the trap of believing the hype of someone (especially if they are young) just because they have scored one or 2 spectacular goals rather than pay attention to all the things they don't do during a game. People become blinded by this idea of finding a superstar and don't realise how incomplete the player is.
I know these are not typical upcoming young European/South American players but here are examples of how easy it is to believe hype
- Stephen Ireland, Flashes of brilliance/genious but the rest of his game is completely inept. Casually walks around believing he has no responsibility in the team but to be a playmaker.
- Charlie Adam, Again. Flashes of brilliance but my god he runs round like a headless chicken and leaves gaping holes in the midfield. Often gives the ball away in very dangerous positions aswell.
Well, 3 forwards is optimun in my opinion. You can play all 3 enough minutes without major complaints. With injury, sub ins, and form determining how much playing time each gets. But I just cannot see how it is possible for us to get Higuain. He is Real thru and true. It is like saying we want to swap Kompany for Carvahlo. That is just as unlikely to happen.Mad 4 It said:Dax
I dont think we will have 4 forwards because I doubt Ballotelli will be with us after the summer unless he can mature over the next 3 months. Personally, I would prefer Higuain, Tevez and Dzeko if we are only to have 3 forwards
Dax777 said:SamTheGuru said:I might have a look at him over the next couple of weeks. I just often notice that a lot of people fall into the trap of believing the hype of someone (especially if they are young) just because they have scored one or 2 spectacular goals rather than pay attention to all the things they don't do during a game. People become blinded by this idea of finding a superstar and don't realise how incomplete the player is.
I know these are not typical upcoming young European/South American players but here are examples of how easy it is to believe hype
- Stephen Ireland, Flashes of brilliance/genious but the rest of his game is completely inept. Casually walks around believing he has no responsibility in the team but to be a playmaker.
- Charlie Adam, Again. Flashes of brilliance but my god he runs round like a headless chicken and leaves gaping holes in the midfield. Often gives the ball away in very dangerous positions aswell.
Well, Pastore also has a penchant to avoid some of his defensive duties too. I have seen him take plays off. But to be honest only DM's and English players don't take plays off. Everywhere else in Europe offensive players do it. On our team now, Yaya does it, Silva does it. Balotelli does it. Nani, Fabregas, Nasri, Van Pussy e.t.c.
You can go down the list of all the offensive minded foreign players in the Premiership and they almost all take plays off defensively. However they make up for it offensively by keeping possession better than most Premiership players (At least the good ones do).
I do implore you to give Pastore a good look. When he has the ball the decisions he makes, the style of dribble (pressure avoidance- Silvaesque) except for his nutmeg signature. The way he slides into pockets of space, his ball control, touch on his passes and crosses. You would be impressed. But even better, watch how poor most of the other players at Palermo are, and how often he is open for a pass and yet doesn't get it.
One of the knocks against him is that he dissapears for periods in games. I often laugh when I hear that argument, coz this has less to do with him and more to do with the decisions being made by the likes of Bacinovic and some of the other porous midfielders on the squad. The defense is crap, the only decent central mid is Migliacio. Who is really only decent coz he is a born hustler and fights. The others are just poor. Pastore, Ilicic, Micioli (when he is not injured) are the only decent players on the team. When it is not one of those on the ball, decisions are almost always poor. But once Pastore gets on it. the way he weaves webs of passes that forces his teammate to do what he wants (granted it seems they all know he is the golden goose) is quite mesmerizing.
Please watch and let me know what you think of him.
-- Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:38 am --
Well, 3 forwards is optimun in my opinion. You can play all 3 enough minutes without major complaints. With injury, sub ins, and form determining how much playing time each gets. But I just cannot see how it is possible for us to get Higuain. He is Real thru and true. It is like saying we want to swap Kompany for Carvahlo. That is just as unlikely to happen.Mad 4 It said:Dax
I dont think we will have 4 forwards because I doubt Ballotelli will be with us after the summer unless he can mature over the next 3 months. Personally, I would prefer Higuain, Tevez and Dzeko if we are only to have 3 forwards
Also while anything can happen, I don't see Balotelli leaving City this summer. Unless Mancini is fired or something. He is in Mancini's good books. And has done well in spite of injury.