Kamala Harris

Crouchinho said:
Come on mate. You know the score. You have to let white men and white women tell you you're oppressed, they'll speak for you, tell you who to vote for, tell you they know how you feel, the racism hurts them more than you etc lol

Who's likely to win this shit anyway? My mate has been in Minnesota for like 30 years and his day to day life has not changed in all that time. Maybe groceries went up since covid but that seems the same all across the world.

The drama in this thread is like the Real Madrid forum over Rodri winning Baloon d'or lol
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Is your mate a white male?

If so, he is not among the groups for which (at least initially) their lives will substantially change if Trump regains the presidency.

He would likely have a very different experience and perspective to share if he was a women from which MAGA wants to strip away rights, or among the immigrants that MAGA want rounded up and deported, or members of the LGBTQ+ community who MAGA want to make illegal as humans.

But, even so, they’ll eventually find some reason to come for him eventually, as well.
 
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
There always tend to be idiots on the fringe of any protest. I thought that maga shamen fellow with the silly horn hat and the red white and blue paint was comedy gold.
Ultimately the J6 thing crossed a line because of death and serious injury, whereas with BLM it was just statues getting hurt I think?
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Lol. No, more people got hurt during the BLM riots. And more people got killed and more buildings got destroyed.

But I'll grant that there is a distinction But the distinction doesn't an insurrection make.
 
KS55 said:
Explain why it was not an insurrection without saying it was just a riot/protest. That is, what is an insurrection?
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Well, this is going to be fun... I don't know what an insurrection is:

Can you define it?
 
SebastianBlue said:
Is your mate a white male?

If so, he is not among the groups for which (at least initially) their lives will substantially change if Trump regains the presidency.

He would likely have a very different experience and perspective to share if he was a women from which MAGA wants to strip away rights, or among the immigrants that MAGA want rounded up and deported, or members of the LGBTQ+ community who MAGA want to make illegal as humans.

But, even so, they’ll eventually find some reason to come for him eventually, as well.
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I don't know if he's classed as white being North African, but his life hasn't changed much when Trump and Biden were at the helm! Last time he complained about prime rib roast prices lol
 
Crouchinho said:
I don't know if he's classed as white being North African, but his life hasn't changed much when Trump and Biden were at the helm! Last time he complained about prime rib roast prices lol
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Oh, then he is most definitely going to love the immigrant round up and deportation (which MAGA base classify as anyone that doesn’t look or sound “white”, whether that means), and the rekindled inflation from Trump’s massive tariffs on everything.
 
KS55 said:
Yup. But you’re the one saying it is not an insurrection, so I assume you have examined the question and it is easy for you to trot out your analysis.
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If no one on either side of the debate can actually define an insurrection then it's unlikely they can accurately define if one did or didn't happen?
Collins dictionary definition as follows (other dictionaries are available):

An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office.

I think Jan 6 pretty much fits this - even if it was a bit crap
 
KS55 said:
Yup. But you’re the one saying it is not an insurrection, so I assume you have examined the question and it is easy for you to trot out your analysis.
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Oh wait? So you are not saying it's an insurrection?

Then we don't have an issue.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Oh, then he is most definitely going to love the immigrant round up and deportation (which MAGA base classify as anyone that doesn’t look or sound “white”, whether that means), and the rekindled inflation from Trump’s massive tariffs on everything.
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Surely the "immigration round up" will be the like the wall, or the new healthcare plan. Happening "in a few weeks".
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office.

I think Jan 6 pretty much fits this - even if it was a bit crap
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Poor effort when you consider overthrowing governments is something of an American speciality ;-)
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If no one on either side of the debate can actually define an insurrection then it's unlikely they can accurately define if one did or didn't happen?
Collins dictionary definition as follows (other dictionaries are available):

An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office.

I think Jan 6 pretty much fits this - even if it was a bit crap
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No one can say for sure of course, but I reckon if the craziest of the crazies that day had got to Mike Pence before the secret service hustled him out of the building they would at the very least have put a rope round his neck and dragged him around for a while before the less crazy among them yelled "Stop, he's had enough."
And if they'd found Nancy there'd be no doubt about the outcome.

(now this might be a post that both Harris supporters and the Trumpists can like, albeit for different reasons.)
 
bluenova said:
Surely the "immigration round up" will be the like the wall, or the new healthcare plan. Happening "in a few weeks".
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Not if he is given a second term.

Trump and MAGA have developed a systemic apparatus to follow through on their proposed policies and programs that did not exist in his first term. They have state legislatures, governors, federal courts, and even SCOTUS filled with friendly parties or outright MAGA zealots. And the Republican Party has almost completely consolidated in to the MAGA party—that wasn’t the case during his first term. It’s not even Trump that is the biggest danger now—it’s the real power brokers behind MAGA, which include technocrat and accelerist billionaires, powerful far-right ideologues, and Christian nationalist psychopaths.

Things will be very different if he is elected again, particularly if he gains control of both chambers of congress. At that point, the entire government will be MAGA-captured.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
If no one on either side of the debate can actually define an insurrection then it's unlikely they can accurately define if one did or didn't happen?
Collins dictionary definition as follows (other dictionaries are available):

An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office.

I think Jan 6 pretty much fits this - even if it was a bit crap
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I can, as I replied, define insurrection and much better than that dictionary. I am waiting, however, for Dax to tell me why J6 was not an insurrection as he has frequently told us. I’m beginning to suspect he was guilty of meaningless bluster. I shall put him out of his misery tomorrow by defining insurrection and demonstrating why J6 was a classic fulfilment of the definition.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Not if he is given a second term.

Trump and MAGA have developed a systemic apparatus to follow through on their proposed policies and programs that did not exist in his first term. They have state legislatures, governors, federal courts, and even SCOTUS filled with friendly parties or outright MAGA zealots. And the Republican Party has almost completely consolidated in to the MAGA party—that wasn’t the case during his first term. It’s not even Trump that is the biggest danger now—it’s the real power brokers behind MAGA, which include technocrat and accelerist billionaires, powerful far-right ideologues, and Christian nationalist psychopaths.

Things will be very different if he is elected again, particularly if he gains control of both chambers of congress. At that point, the entire government will be MAGA-captured.
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It all sounds like a lot of disruption to me - something that rich people tend not to like.

But I really hope we never get to find out who is right.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Not if he is given a second term.

Trump and MAGA have developed a systemic apparatus to follow through on their proposed policies and programs that did not exist in his first term. They have state legislatures, governors, federal courts, and even SCOTUS filled with friendly parties or outright MAGA zealots. And the Republican Party has almost completely consolidated in to the MAGA party—that wasn’t the case during his first term. It’s not even Trump that is the biggest danger now—it’s the real power brokers behind MAGA, which include technocrat and accelerist billionaires, powerful far-right ideologues, and Christian nationalist psychopaths.

Things will be very different if he is elected again, particularly if he gains control of both chambers of congress. At that point, the entire government will be MAGA-captured.
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As I've said many times on these US Politics threads, this is a 5-Alarm fire situation. The fact that the self-proclaimed party of law & order has essentially capitulated to MAGA in such a short space of time should be a wake up call for all western democracies.
 
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