Kamala Harris

[Dax777]

Trump is shortening up again as Favourite now as the progressives in many of the swing states are not happy with Harris avoiding questions on the conflict. They are obviously not going to vote for Trump but seems they'll give Harris a wide berth too. She could clean up the Muslim and Progressive vote if she condemned Israel.

it will cost her!

She needs the Jewish money to outspend Trump. So she's stuck in a hard place. Cater to the far left of her party or to the moneybags and the corporate arm of her party.

The problem with VP Harris is that she doesn't have a natural base. Or better put her natural base is the far left of the Democratic party. She is a California Democrat. But she has to 'pretend betray' that side of the party to win the corporate money and centrust Dems/independents.

She keeps trying to signal to the far left that 'her values haven't changed.' But it seems they are not buying it. Especially, in light of Israel/Hamas/Lebanon which really isn't part of her wheelhouse.

If she can survive the Michigan revolt she should be fine and the battlefield will still end up being Pennsylvania. My home State. Too bad I don't live there anymore.

 

[1961_vintage]

She needs the Jewish money to outspend Trump. So she's stuck in a hard place. Cater to the far left of her party or to the moneybags and the corporate arm of her party.

The problem with VP Harris is that she doesn't have a natural base. Or better put her natural base is the far left of the Democratic party. She is a California Democrat. But she has to 'pretend betray' that side of the party to win the corporate money and centrust Dems/independents.

She keeps trying to signal to the far left that 'her values haven't changed.' But it seems they are not buying it. Especially, in light of Israel/Hamas/Lebanon which really isn't part of her wheelhouse.

If she can survive the Michigan revolt she should be fine and the battlefield will still end up being Pennsylvania. My home State. Too bad I don't live there anymore.

Thanks for this insight.

 

[Dax777]

Trump is a bigger **** than Harris/Biden and will no doubt be responsible for an even bigger death toll in the Middle East if he gets in. It still doesn't give the current administration a free pass on the wicked murderous crimes theve been part of. All because Congress is corrupted by Aipac money.

I'm not sure That's true. His history suggests he is more likely to bring calm. That said, I'm not convinced he or anyone else can stop what's already in motion.

 

[Gaz in Zurich]

Trump is a bigger **** than Harris/Biden and will no doubt be responsible for an even bigger death toll in the Middle East if he gets in. It still doesn't give the current administration a free pass on the wicked murderous crimes theve been part of. All because Congress is corrupted by Aipac money.

You do realise he was President for 4 years and didn't cause any wars. Yet Harris is part of the current regime that under 2 wars have started. I mean I don't like Trump anymore than the next person, but it's like people have amnesia and forget he already was in office, and did none of these things they are claiming he will.

 

[Bigga]

lol what are you talking about?

Funny, innit? Palestine, Gaza, Lebanon all being attacked and civilians slaughtered. By politicians who are supported by the same big money interests.

You know, the microcosm of this action was Trump, himself, that used to donate to the Dems AND Republicans, cos he would get what he wanted either way.

Except he's funded the game and is now the player.

Stupid puppets voting for rights that could have and would been solved years ago. But certain 'problems' like codifying abortion into law are best not solved cos if you solve it, what else is there to get people mad enough to vote?

 

[The blue phantom]

You do realise he was President for 4 years and didn't cause any wars. Yet Harris is part of the current regime that under 2 wars have started. I mean I don't like Trump anymore than the next person, but it's like people have amnesia and forget he already was in office, and did none of these things they are claiming he will.

Trump the anti-war president was always a myth

Let the record show: Trump poured fuel on our endless wars and kicked diplomacy to the curb.

responsiblestatecraft.org

 

[Bigga]

I can agree with you on this but it’s not as simple as just vote stein. In current reality a vote for Stein IS a vote for trump/harris.

The system is infinitely flawed but I don’t begin to know the complexities of elections in a huge country like America or how to change it. Like some of our actual American posters have alluded, the country is essentially a continent of 50 small counties. It’s incredibly complex and diverse.

I do agree though, from a laypersons perspective, they need a better system and more options/representation.

Then you'll agree that to grow parties that can challenge the current duopoly, then voices shouldn't be frozen out. Let them stand and fall by their own policies.

So, if people were fine to vote against anti-war policies, let them.

But the money equals speech allowance for the uniparty in Dems and the GOP stops others offering more humanitarian policies as they fund more access to media than people based funding can.

5k max is what they should be allowed per company and then we'd see how they affect down ballot and major ballot races.

 

[Bigga]

I think if you support kamala you are supporting kids being murdered , he has a long history of biden hating and now kamala , obsessed with those two and not what an utter **** the other option is , he will support israel as well, will he hate on trump then i wonder

Correct. You cannot split hairs on it, like you are attempting to do.

A phone call to stop or withhold funding would bring Netanyahu to heel, so explain why the US politicians are reluctant to do so?

Your blinkered view fails to see I regard the same view of BOTH parties, but I see the Wolf in Trump cos he's open in his intentions. It's the Dems that play dress up in Sheep clothing.

For some reason, you fail to see that.

 

[yankblue]

I can agree with you on this but it’s not as simple as just vote stein. In current reality a vote for Stein IS a vote for trump/harris.

The system is infinitely flawed but I don’t begin to know the complexities of elections in a huge country like America or how to change it. Like some of our actual American posters have alluded, the country is essentially a continent of 50 small counties. It’s incredibly complex and diverse.

I do agree though, from a laypersons perspective, they need a better system and more options/representation.

She's also a Russian asset on top of all that

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

You do realise he was President for 4 years and didn't cause any wars. Yet Harris is part of the current regime that under 2 wars have started. I mean I don't like Trump anymore than the next person, but it's like people have amnesia and forget he already was in office, and did none of these things they are claiming he will.

He shattered one of the cornerstones US democracy, the peaceful transfer of power. The ONLY reason his attempted coup failed is because Pence said no.

 

[moomba]

A phone call to stop or withhold funding would bring Netanyahu to heel, so explain why the US politicians are reluctant to do so?

Would you agree that Harris currently has no authority to make that phone call?

I've just seen a Republican ad criticising her for being anti Israel. And while I don't think she is, I think she does have issues with Israels current approach. And of the two candidates is IMO the more likely to do something about it.

 

[KS55]

I just question whether we are ready for a female leader of the free world despite Hilary laying much of the groundwork? At present Putin can more or less get away with annexing sovereign states without too many consequences. By January he may find himself in a position where for a few days every month, just getting the desert spoons and tea spoons mixed up in the cutlery draw or forgetting to put the bins out could start a global conflagration.
We've all been there.

The consequences for Putin of annexing sovereign states include the destruction of his own economy.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Trump the anti-war president was always a myth

Let the record show: Trump poured fuel on our endless wars and kicked diplomacy to the curb.

responsiblestatecraft.org

It is amazing that people keep peddling that “Trump was a peacemaker” nonsense.

His enablement of Netanyahu, Putin, and Kim, and provocations with Xi, alone setup much of what we are seeing now.

And those are just the most dangerous dictators and tyrants he loves and wants to support. He has openly praised (and met with) many more.

Trump will only “stop” the wars in Ukraine and Palestine/Lebanon by forcing the Ukrainians and Palestinians/Lebanese to unconditionally surrender. He and cronies/habdlers will do everything in their power to support Putin and Netanyahu to do whatever the fuck they want.

Am I happy with Biden-Harris’ approach to the genocide in Palestine and now illegal war in Lebanon? No, I am not.

But do I think there is a chance that she can actually be influenced (or forced) in to changing policy and action? Yes.

There is absolutely no chance of that happening with Trump. And what he’ll do otherwise will likely degrade not only US democracy, but democracy around the world.

And for those that keep saying everyone should vote for Stein: she is a spoiler and will never be president.

A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump, just as it was in 2016, along with Johnson.

 

[The blue phantom]

Would you agree that Harris currently has no authority to make that phone call?

I've just seen a Republican ad criticising her for being anti Israel. And while I don't think she is, I think she does have issues with Israels current approach. And of the two candidates is IMO the more likely to do something about it.

Will she though? The power the Israeli lobby groups wield in American politics is off the fuckin scale. Don't forget you had the Mass Murderer Netanyahu getting One of the longest standing ovations by Congress in history recently. I hope she can prove me wrong and put an end to the endless weopens being sent over but I just can't see it.

 

[moomba]

Will she though? The power the Israeli lobby groups wield in American politics is off the fuckin scale. Don't forget you had the Mass Murderer Netanyahu getting One of the longest standing ovations by Congress in history recently. I hope she can prove me wrong and put an end to the endless weopens being sent over but I just can't see it.

I don't know if she will, and I'm conscious that things like this are often a lot more complex than people make out.

So I doubt we'll see a cutting of all funding, that would probably result in the end of Israel. But she has been critical of their actions, and more vocal in support of Palestinian rights than I've seen before.

And like I said, the Republican side is attacking her in ads for being anti Israel. They also attacked her for skipping the Netanyahu speech in Congress, as did many Democrats.

 

[KS55]

You do realise he was President for 4 years and didn't cause any wars. Yet Harris is part of the current regime that under 2 wars have started. I mean I don't like Trump anymore than the next person, but it's like people have amnesia and forget he already was in office, and did none of these things they are claiming he will.

Fact check needed.

 

[Dax777]

Correct. You cannot split hairs on it, like you are attempting to do.

A phone call to stop or withhold funding would bring Netanyahu to heel, so explain why the US politicians are reluctant to do so?

Your blinkered view fails to see I regard the same view of BOTH parties, but I see the Wolf in Trump cos he's open in his intentions. It's the Dems that play dress up in Sheep clothing.

For some reason, you fail to see that.

Bigga, no US politician is probably making that call. So while I understand where the far left is coming from, I think they are cutting of their nose to spite their face.

To me they are no different than Never Trump Republicans. There is an ideological battle here, and all lefties are probably best served supporting Harris. Just like all conservatives are best served supporting Trump.

You don't have to like either, but the present and long-term consequences are dire if you cut your nose to spite your face

Which a lot on both sides seem to be doing. But I guess that's the beauty of Freedom for you

 

[west didsblue]

You do realise he was President for 4 years and didn't cause any wars. Yet Harris is part of the current regime that under 2 wars have started. I mean I don't like Trump anymore than the next person, but it's like people have amnesia and forget he already was in office, and did none of these things they are claiming he will.

That’s such a bullshit claim.
When wars start around the globe they are not instigated by the US President.

If you think Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if Trump was president you’re delusional. Trump is on record as saying Putin was a genius for doing it. The only difference is that Trump would have done his utmost to withhold support for Ukraine leaving the country to be overrun by the Russians.

Similarly do you think the US President held any sway with Hamas when they launched their attack a year ago. The difference here is that Trump would have given Israel the green light to cause even more destruction and kill more people in Gaza if that’s possible.

 

[Bigga]

Would you agree that Harris currently has no authority to make that phone call?

I've just seen a Republican ad criticising her for being anti Israel. And while I don't think she is, I think she does have issues with Israels current approach. And of the two candidates is IMO the more likely to do something about it.

$5M in support from AIPAC says you're wrong...

 

[Dax777]

Fact check needed.

@domalino do your thing