Keir Starmer

[hilts]

What's the difference between working class and lower middle class?

Isn't personal circumstances and security a big part of it?

Starmer's mother was severely unwell and couldn't work for much of her life and he was one of four children in a household with a tradesman as the sole breadwinner.

Diane Abbott's parents worked the same or similar professions (their mothers were nurses, her father was a welder instead of a toolmaker), and they would probably have been classed as lower middle class before they emigrated from Jamaica.

Does anyone accuse Diane of not being working class despite the boarding school scholarship and the affected voice (accent and speaking style)?

Starmers dad was a toolmaker? Fuck me.

He is practically a gortonian like me.

 

[Scottyboi]

Starmers dad was a toolmaker? Fuck me.

He is practically a gortonian like me.

He use play heads and volleys on Mellands and was on the darts team for the mount.

 

[Vic]

No whats silly is he thinks it os necessary to turn every speach into an episode of brass or a hovis advert.

Previously he has said he learnt violin in secondary school so this, "ee until I caught stream train to the big city this poor working class lad was bereft of music" is just aimless bollocks and leave people cold as to whether he has an hinest word in him

Everyone knows he is from a lower middleclass backgrpund, why he thinks he need to prove he was working class is beyond me, how many PMs have been from the lower ends of tge class system, it really isn't something he needs to worry about

From silly to stupid. What on earth is dishonest about saying "I got help to learn music, so why shouldn't every child?"

 

[urban genie]

From silly to stupid. What on earth is dishonest about saying "I got help to learn music, so why shouldn't every child?"

i don't understand what ypu are not getting about my original point, which wasn't about the new labour policy thinking

I ain't disagreeing with the idea, and trust me all children should have access to learn music amd the arts

My comment was on his nosensical rubbish about being working class barred him from the opportunity, it didn't and he uses the same line for any topic.

The man is a walking cliche.

 

[urban genie]

He use play heads and volleys on Mellands and was on the darts team for the mount.

Have you seen the state of Mellands recently, a sad state of affairs, sure they are waiting till people forget so they can build houses on it.

 

[domalino]

What is this fool waffling constantly about when he was growing up working class we didn't have ... blah blah

This time it's music




I grew up working class and learnt, recorder, guitar and piano in school.

I would get it if he said present kids deserve to learn music as I did, but these tall tales he tells like he lived in a slum and had to hike 30 miles barefoot to do anything in life is insulting to working class generations gone by

If your parents could afford a piano, guitar, and lessons for both I’m not sure how working class you were.

Today that’s £70 a week on lessons for one child.

 

[urban genie]

Starmers dad was a toolmaker? Fuck me.

He is practically a gortonian like me.

tbf in the 70s wasn't nearly everyone in gorton in a factory of some kind.

My dad was a sandblaster and my mam worked at robbies making jam and christmas puds

 

[urban genie]

If your parents could afford a piano, guitar, and lessons for both I’m not sure how working class you were.

We learnt them in primarry and secodary school.

nothing to do with private tuition

benefits of a catholic education ;-)

 

[domalino]

We learnt them in primarry and secodary school.

benefits of a catholic education ;-)

Ah so the Catholic Church paid for you to learn those instruments.


And now you’re upset Starmer would like everyone else to get those opportunities as well.

 

[metalblue]

Starmers dad was a toolmaker? Fuck me.

He is practically a gortonian like me.

He certainly made a tool