Keir Starmer

Thing is Bob, many in the Labour party do not want what i espoused. They are comfortable with capitalism and the Liberal left opposes every war except the one going on right now and supports all civil rights movements except the one going on right now. Malcolm X described the Republicans (right) as wolves, you know what they are up to they are evil but they are honest they are not afraid to wield power when they have it, the liberals he described as foxes, less threatening but still predator's

Do want a fox, a wolf or a Socialist?
I'll take a fox. At least they beat the wolf occasionally and get things done, make peoples lives better. Socialists don't have many wins on the scoreboard. Not counting the moral victories obviously. They win them all the time.
 
I do admire your willingness to bat for the Labour party, that was me once. I believed they had the working class interests at heart and as much as i despise Blair, his government did some really good things. I voted recently for my Labour councillor, sadly she lost, but she was decent and i voted for Andy Burnham who if given more powers through devolution could really change our city.

I like Angela Raynor, she is a real working class girl with an amazing background, I am not a fan of Starmer, and as i live in a Tory Lib dem marginal, i will probably not vote unless TUSC , the Workers Party or the Communist party field a candidate.

I would defo vote Count Binface :))
It was also me once, then it wasn’t me. Moving on a few years the time has come for it to be ‘me’ again. Regardless of my idealogical thoughts, you can only vote for what is in front of you and for the good of the nation, that is Labour.

I have absolutely no doubt that they will do for the good of the people, even though it may take a while following the absolute shambles that these current fuckers have left us in. If they don’t, I’ll hold them to account as I like doing with the Tories.

Nothing more to add except that I’d like to see a Sir Buckethead go up against Binface, he’s holding the country hostage at the moment ;-)
 
Tbh after a long think about it I am not voting labour this election. They have fuckall principles accepting a TWAT like that woman in Labour. They can fuck off. She is the absolute antipathy of Labour values at least but definately mine. Idiots.
Would you have normally voted Labour?
 
It is not me winning, its the Neo-liberal anti Socialist Liberal left that win, just as they win when the Tories win.

Yes it is agony, I want the UK to be a Socialist country, I want a country where inequality is lessened, where people have houses to live in, where they do not go hungry and they can turn the heating on. I want a country where people have proper well paid jobs, they have proper well funded services and the NHS is run by the people for the people. I want a country that helps people who hit hard times and funds welfare properly rather than punishing the unfortunate and as a Socialist i do believe in the principle that everyone who can work should work. I want a country where essential services like power, transport, water are owned by the people for the people. I want a country that is safe for all its people, i want a properly funded police force, a properly funded border force, a proper amount of firemen, ambulance drivers, doctors, nurses and i want an education service that is world class and lets people learn for free to the day that they die. I want a country where pensioners have dignity, where peoples rights are sacrosanct.

That to me would be winning and if you do not want that then its you who in my opinion is losing.
Where's the money coming from for all that?
 
It's only dishonest if it's not obvious it's been done, you can't get anything right can you Tory boy or is it Lib Dem now?
Have you turned into a disinformation stalker?

You‘re coming across as one.

As they say, did Bob fuck you over in a previous life?
 
See the cliches have started to defend the indefensible

lefties don't want to win power
she's standing down next election
Anything that embarrasses the tories is good no matter what.

The fact is Elphicke has supported:
Cutting enviromemtal laws and funding while in favour of fracking.
voted against requiring imported goods to meet domestic standards.
Increasing the state pension age
Against any measure on landlords having greater responsibility for safe properties
Against stronger fire safety regulation
Agaist water companies ensuring waterways are enviroemtally safe
voted to cap redundency paymemt
Voted to ban or limit legal aid
Voted against laws that promote equality and human rights.
Voted against measure to improve air quity and reduce pollution.
voted for caping local authority power and funding to devolved metro mayors.
Inn favour of removing the necessity of goods imported to meet beitish standards.

Add to that she also harrassed and abused those sexually assaulted by her husband, was found to break the ministerial code on 3 occassions for trying to influence judges in his trial and appeal.
Shown contempt for the P&O workers layed off and diamissive of their criticism.
Was a staunt supporter of Johnson and would defend his denegration of worjer, ethnic groups etc.

One in the eye for Sunak??? maybe to many, but it is an uncomforrable watch for many her sat on the labour benches, not just left wingers either, many centeist also have criticised the move
when either party will reject it's own moral values and accept in anyone especially those completely of the opposite political ideology, then politics suffers and it's image as a democracy
Two main partys that differ in colour of your logo only will lead to more apathy amongst voters and a sense of what's the difference.

At present our political system is stagnant
 

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