Keir Starmer

[Bigga]

I don't post on the Ukraine thread because it's very hard to tell fact from fiction, Russia are cunts but I can't bring myself to shout in what has turned into an echo chamber.

In the light of the death of Cox the Labour MP we have people who wish harm on sitting MP's because the clowns think they have the right.

In the tragic case of Joanne Cox, wasn't she murdered by an extreme right-winger?

Hardly a put down of anyone 'left', surely?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

People just don't admit what they are mate, there are some people on the Palestine thread that are reasonable in intent but there are others who are having a field day because they are Jew haters.

I didn't see anything racist in the threads.

There were distasteful posts that could have upset offended a few people that only saw one view and one mindset, but in the main the posts were pretty restrained.

There were numerous posters explaining that they didn't agree with what Hamas were doing but were shocked at the response from the Israeli side because it was so disproportionate and those posters were explaining that UN schools and civilians shouldn't have been considered targets and the collateral damage was too severe for it to be warranted.

However (Let's call it the other side) were only interested in seeing it their own way and if you didn't see it their way which was/is that Israel is justified in bombing the Jesus out of Gaza indiscriminately then you are a terrorist sympathiser.

Even whispering the Jewish/Israeli lobby was enough to have the racist silencing tactic launched in your direction.

The same people who agree with Israels treament of the Palestinians are as one when it comes to eradicating the butchers of ISIS/IS with airstrikes without understanding how ISIS/IS came about and why they exist.

I have had the same conversations on here about UKIP and the EDL and some posters can't/wont differentiate between the two even after I have stated that the EDL are a bunch of thugs it wasn't good enough.....but in that discussion there were far more posters understanding that viewpoint without necessarily agreeing with it.

I'll agree at some point the mods have to make a decision on the commentary of the Israel situation, because that is what it had become it was happening and people were commenting on what was happening then in real time. But the decision to pull a thread seemed to be when the Pro-Israeli posters who were on the back foot constantly derailed threads.

Example.

UN school hit and 20 children killed.

Answer.

It's Hamas's fault they are killing their own people by default.

Which is a ridiculous answer isn't it?

The last thread that was pulled was about the Israel/jewish lobby myth when it's not a myth it's a reality.

But the Pro-Israelis (Not all of them) were only regurgitating the same pap that Mark Regev spouts in his propaganda reports.

Someone even mentioned throwing battery acid on an MP here yesterday, it's where we are.

Did they?



Even the reference to an MP is dishonest.

 

[mexico1970]

In the tragic case of Joanne Cox, wasn't she murdered by an extreme right-winger?

Hardly a put down of anyone 'left', surely?

Yup and it should never have happened, only yesterday though we had someone joking about throwing battery acid on an incumbent MP using the excuse that they are better than them.

And not a single poster pulled the post up.

 

[Bigga]

It changes, it's just a perception, for instance without a bloody Marxist revolution there can't be a Communist country.

Forgetting the commies for a second though, it's the modern liberals that I can't stand.

Can I ask you why you believe Marxism became a thing?

In doing so, why do you think Capitalism is getting such challenges?

What would be the alternative for you?

Cheers.

 

[mexico1970]

Can I ask you why you believe Marxism became a thing?

In doing so, why do you think Capitalism is getting such challenges?

What would be the alternative for you?

Cheers.

IMHO Marxism became a thing because of the huge inequalities of the time, rich and poor back then meant rich being rich but the poor actually starving to death. I know it's a simple explanation but without the nuance it works.

I'm a centrist mate with a smattering of socialism and nationalism.

The only way that I can see a system working is a system without party politics and without parties picking candidates. Yes it's clunky and messy but this is a shitstorm isn't it?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'm a centrist mate with a smattering of socialism and nationalism.

The only way that I can see a system working is a system without party politics and without parties picking candidates. Yes it's clunky and messy but this is a shitstorm isn't it?

Wrong order I think.

 

[Bigga]

Yup and it should never have happened, only yesterday though we had someone joking about throwing battery acid on an incumbent MP using the excuse that they are better than them.

And not a single poster pulled the post up.

A US comedian joked with a physical comedy of hold Trump's bloody head in her hand and she lost her job. I remember some posters voicing how distasteful it was.

For posters to not pull up the 'joke' about battery acid is a fair point.

Some will be selective in outrage in these cases.

 

[Postman Pep]

In the tragic case of Joanne Cox, wasn't she murdered by an extreme right-winger?

Hardly a put down of anyone 'left', surely?

Don't bother with facts mate. He is just weaponising a tragedy to score points on a football forum.

 

[mexico1970]

A US comedian joked with a physical comedy of hold Trump's bloody head in her hand and she lost her job. I remember some posters voicing how distasteful it was.

For posters to not pull up the 'joke' about battery acid is a fair point.

Some will be selective in outrage in these cases.

Little che's don't like me and I am happy with that, after all the alternative is for me to become as small minded and hateful as they are.

Most of them are on the Palestine thread with their trousers down anyway.

 

[Bigga]

IMHO Marxism became a thing because of the huge inequalities of the time, rich and poor back then meant rich being rich but the poor actually starving to death. I know it's a simple explanation but without the nuance it works.

I'm a centrist mate with a smattering of socialism and nationalism.

The only way that I can see a system working is a system without party politics and without parties picking candidates. Yes it's clunky and messy but this is a shitstorm isn't it?

Okay, thanks for that.

I'm a bit confused though, as both of these parties have gotten closer to the middle. So much so, there's a rizla paper's difference between them!

Are they not centrist now, if not right of centre??

I have said before this country can only progress in fairness and togetherness by leaning more left to centralise in the future, otherwise we just keep going down the same path, especially as these parties are, basically, a Uni-Party now.

We're now voting on personalities, not policies.