Keir Starmer

.... so how come Al-Fayed was not picked up (twice) then...? Just askin'?
You’ve only made that point about 5 times now.
The first time Starmer had been in post for less than 3 months and his experienced director of complex cases decided there wasn’t enough evidence. Fairly unlikely the new boss would overrule him.
The second time, Starmer was no longer DPP.

Repeatedly making the same point is getting boring.
 
Quote "Keir Starmer is alleged to have broken parliamentary rules by failing to declare donations of clothing for his wife from the Labour donor Waheed Alli.

The gifts to Victoria Starmer were not initially declared in the register of MPs’ interests, the Sunday Times reported.


Starmer approached the parliamentary authorities on Tuesday to make a late declaration after being given updated advice on what needed to be registered.

The donations reportedly covered the cost of a personal shopper, clothes and alterations for Lady Starmer before and after Labour’s election win in July.

MPs are required to register gifts and donations within 28 days." End of Quote

So all of this uproar is about timing. As soon as they took further advice on the matter, they complied with the rules. It all feels a bit like Currygate. The DM and DT get a sniff of something they can chuck out there as red meat to the likes of Chippy and PPT.

Much of this took place before he was PM when the shadow cabinet were not "provided for" by the public purse in completely opposite to ministers who could claim for stuff from public money.

I openly admit the optics are poor. But let's take Arsenal tickets for example. They have now openly said they prefer him not to be in his usual seat for security reasons. My understanding is, he didn't cancel his Season ticekt to save himself a few bob but contiued to pay for it.

My preference would be that MPs get paid a load more than they do now and nothing further can be claimed-what that amount should be though is anybody's guess.

We could just pay them the same and they could just buy their own clothes, you know like everyone else.
 
We could just pay them the same and they could just buy their own clothes, you know like everyone else.
I agree in a perfect world. But like it or not £88k or £128k for an MP or minister is simply not enough. The fact remains that the gifts were declared albeit late after further advice was sought and received. A bad look though.
 
I agree in a perfect world. But like it or not £88k or £128k for an MP or minister is simply not enough. The fact remains that the gifts were declared albeit late after further advice was sought and received. A bad look though.
Then why do the job? In the current climate I have no sympathy for anyone who only earns £128k. These are not people who have had to prove themselves better than the najotity to get these jobs.

Are there many other occupations where in a lot of cases there is no other competition for your job and you can be devoid of any sort of common sense, get a great pension in no time and a cushy role in the Lords?
 
Then why do the job? In the current climate I have no sympathy for anyone who only earns £128k. These are not people who have had to prove themselves better than the najotity to get these jobs.

Are there many other occupations where in a lot of cases there is no other competition for your job and you can be devoid of any sort of common sense, get a great pension in no time and a cushy role in the Lords?
I too have no sympathy but the fact remains that it isn't enough to cover all of the costs to be an effective MP or minister.
 
I too have no sympathy but the fact remains that it isn't enough to cover all of the costs to be an effective MP or minister.
I'm pretty sure politicians could afford most of the gifts they have been given, if not they could just do without, I have worked in many offices over the years I havent been bought a suit or a shirt, not even a bloody tie. Strangely enough they Hever offered to buy the mrs a dress as well.
 
Think giving a senior civil service post to a party donor is a new wheeze but Rayner's luxury holiday gifts like Keir's record rewards are definitely all OK with the faithful on here. What do our pure of heart think about the appointment of banker Ian Corfield as Director of Investment at the Treasury then?
 
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I'm pretty sure politicians could afford most of the gifts they have been given, if not they could just do without, I have worked in many offices over the years I havent been bought a suit or a shirt, not even a bloody tie. Strangely enough they Hever offered to buy the mrs a dress as well.
I agree. If I understand the situation correctly, most of these "gifts" were before Labour came into power-ergo, the last administration had no issue with the system as it was. If rules, apart from the fact that the gifts were declared, but late, get changed, then that's a good thing.

It's good that a proper debate is taking place on here though, as far too many sling in their one-line comments and never actually come up with an alternative to what they're unhappy about-morning PPT.
 
I'm pretty sure politicians could afford most of the gifts they have been given, if not they could just do without, I have worked in many offices over the years I havent been bought a suit or a shirt, not even a bloody tie. Strangely enough they Hever offered to buy the mrs a dress as well.

Is it a valid comparison? The clothing was for the campaign trail and probably to also be worn when meeting high net worth donors and schmoozing them. Not unusual for such people to be so vacuous to care about the fit of a suit.

Doesn't seem just a coincidence that the money came from their chief fundraiser.
 
I agree. If I understand the situation correctly, most of these "gifts" were before Labour came into power-ergo, the last administration had no issue with the system as it was. If rules, apart from the fact that the gifts were declared, but late, get changed, then that's a good thing.

It's good that a proper debate is taking place on here though, as far too many sling in their one-line comments and never actually come up with an alternative to what they're unhappy about-morning PPT.
Politicians feathering there nest is a story that goes back to when politicians become a thing. It's a story that usually gets everybody in agreement unfortunately it seems times are a changing. Everything gets spun.

The simplest solution is don't take gifts then it doesn't need to be an issue, the lack of awareness from politicians is quite bewildering really. It does make you wonder if its actually possible to be a politician and have a strong sense of morals.

Are we always unlucky with who we pick or is inevitable?
 

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