Keir Starmer


Her lung capacity is male and can never be changed, is allowed to compete against biological females and destroy them.

They also benefitted from male puberty and the testosterone effects on their bodies.

It's no better than athletes juicing up.

It's unfair, it's cheating.
 
Men with a penis access these spaces all of the time in order to get access to and assault women. They nearly always get away with it too. They absolutely don't need to pretend to be transgender in order to do that. If we really care about protecting women then let's do something about that rather than going after trans women (who are also one of most at risk groups of sexual assault themselves and have an average life expectancy of 36 years of age)

I'm a woman and I don't really care to see anyone else's genitals in a changing room or in a toilet. Which is fine because they have a door and I don't have to. Also nobody has really explained how it should work if we get rid of self ID in changing rooms. It sounds humiliating and discriminatory to me that any woman could be forced to prove her sex if she doesn't look traditionally feminine.

I've been groped and flashed at on numerous occasions in my life, some of my friends have suffered worse, and it wasn't trans women causing the problem. It was men.

As for prisons, they should be safe full stop. It's strange to me that people's interest in the welfare of female prisoners begins and ends at whether or not a trans woman might end up in prison with them. Female prisoners would be much better served if people took more interest in the circumstances that have seen them end up in prison. More often than not these are vulnerable women who have been exploited by....men.

I just think it's a massive shame how trans women are being excluded and their freedoms limited because of the crimes of men. I'm happy to share my spaces with trans women and I think very extreme fringe arguments and examples are too often given centre stage in order to undermine their need to live their lives in in peace.

I know not all men are abusers. I have lots of brilliant male friends. But the fact remains that it is men and not trans women (and also not men pretending to be trans women) who pose a bigger threat to women. Trans people should be free to live their lives in peace and access the spaces where they feel safest.

Apologies if people find it a cop out but I won't reply to any further posts on this. I find this such a sad and exhausting topic. I just wanted to add some balance to the views in here. Thanks.

sexist.
 
I can’t believe you fascists think there’s any biological differences between men and women, it’s disgusting, a trans woman is a real woman and who cares if she’s 6 ft 5 and 18 stone, she should be able to compete in the women’s featherweight division at UFC.
 
Men with a penis access these spaces all of the time in order to get access to and assault women. They nearly always get away with it too. They absolutely don't need to pretend to be transgender in order to do that. If we really care about protecting women then let's do something about that rather than going after trans women (who are also one of most at risk groups of sexual assault themselves and have an average life expectancy of 36 years of age)

I'm a woman and I don't really care to see anyone else's genitals in a changing room or in a toilet. Which is fine because they have a door and I don't have to. Also nobody has really explained how it should work if we get rid of self ID in changing rooms. It sounds humiliating and discriminatory to me that any woman could be forced to prove her sex if she doesn't look traditionally feminine.

I've been groped and flashed at on numerous occasions in my life, some of my friends have suffered worse, and it wasn't trans women causing the problem. It was men.

As for prisons, they should be safe full stop. It's strange to me that people's interest in the welfare of female prisoners begins and ends at whether or not a trans woman might end up in prison with them. Female prisoners would be much better served if people took more interest in the circumstances that have seen them end up in prison. More often than not these are vulnerable women who have been exploited by....men.

I just think it's a massive shame how trans women are being excluded and their freedoms limited because of the crimes of men. I'm happy to share my spaces with trans women and I think very extreme fringe arguments and examples are too often given centre stage in order to undermine their need to live their lives in in peace.

I know not all men are abusers. I have lots of brilliant male friends. But the fact remains that it is men and not trans women (and also not men pretending to be trans women) who pose a bigger threat to women. Trans people should be free to live their lives in peace and access the spaces where they feel safest.

Apologies if people find it a cop out but I won't reply to any further posts on this. I find this such a sad and exhausting topic. I just wanted to add some balance to the views in here. Thanks.

Why do you think trans people have such a low life expectancy?

You should have just come out with what you really think and put white men.
 
Men with a penis access these spaces all of the time in order to get access to and assault women. They nearly always get away with it too. They absolutely don't need to pretend to be transgender in order to do that. If we really care about protecting women then let's do something about that rather than going after trans women (who are also one of most at risk groups of sexual assault themselves and have an average life expectancy of 36 years of age)

I'm a woman and I don't really care to see anyone else's genitals in a changing room or in a toilet. Which is fine because they have a door and I don't have to. Also nobody has really explained how it should work if we get rid of self ID in changing rooms. It sounds humiliating and discriminatory to me that any woman could be forced to prove her sex if she doesn't look traditionally feminine.

I've been groped and flashed at on numerous occasions in my life, some of my friends have suffered worse, and it wasn't trans women causing the problem. It was men.

As for prisons, they should be safe full stop. It's strange to me that people's interest in the welfare of female prisoners begins and ends at whether or not a trans woman might end up in prison with them. Female prisoners would be much better served if people took more interest in the circumstances that have seen them end up in prison. More often than not these are vulnerable women who have been exploited by....men.

I just think it's a massive shame how trans women are being excluded and their freedoms limited because of the crimes of men. I'm happy to share my spaces with trans women and I think very extreme fringe arguments and examples are too often given centre stage in order to undermine their need to live their lives in in peace.

I know not all men are abusers. I have lots of brilliant male friends. But the fact remains that it is men and not trans women (and also not men pretending to be trans women) who pose a bigger threat to women. Trans people should be free to live their lives in peace and access the spaces where they feel safest.

Apologies if people find it a cop out but I won't reply to any further posts on this. I find this such a sad and exhausting topic. I just wanted to add some balance to the views in here. Thanks.

Speechless.

You hate men, just say it.

I can well imagine replacing men with women and the reaction to it on here and rightly so.
 
Men with a penis access these spaces all of the time in order to get access to and assault women. They nearly always get away with it too. They absolutely don't need to pretend to be transgender in order to do that. If we really care about protecting women then let's do something about that rather than going after trans women (who are also one of most at risk groups of sexual assault themselves and have an average life expectancy of 36 years of age)

I'm a woman and I don't really care to see anyone else's genitals in a changing room or in a toilet. Which is fine because they have a door and I don't have to. Also nobody has really explained how it should work if we get rid of self ID in changing rooms. It sounds humiliating and discriminatory to me that any woman could be forced to prove her sex if she doesn't look traditionally feminine.

I've been groped and flashed at on numerous occasions in my life, some of my friends have suffered worse, and it wasn't trans women causing the problem. It was men.

As for prisons, they should be safe full stop. It's strange to me that people's interest in the welfare of female prisoners begins and ends at whether or not a trans woman might end up in prison with them. Female prisoners would be much better served if people took more interest in the circumstances that have seen them end up in prison. More often than not these are vulnerable women who have been exploited by....men.

I just think it's a massive shame how trans women are being excluded and their freedoms limited because of the crimes of men. I'm happy to share my spaces with trans women and I think very extreme fringe arguments and examples are too often given centre stage in order to undermine their need to live their lives in in peace.

I know not all men are abusers. I have lots of brilliant male friends. But the fact remains that it is men and not trans women (and also not men pretending to be trans women) who pose a bigger threat to women. Trans people should be free to live their lives in peace and access the spaces where they feel safest.

Apologies if people find it a cop out but I won't reply to any further posts on this. I find this such a sad and exhausting topic. I just wanted to add some balance to the views in here. Thanks.


Hell of a lot of bullshit in this post with the worst being the 36 years life expectancy
 
  • Agender
  • Androgyne
  • Androgynous
  • Bigender
  • Cis
  • Cisgender
  • Cis Female
  • Cis Male
  • Cis Man
  • Cis Woman
  • Cisgender Female
  • Cisgender Male
  • Cisgender Man
  • Cisgender Woman
  • Female to Male
  • FTM
  • Gender Fluid
  • Gender Nonconforming
  • Gender Questioning
  • Gender Variant
  • Genderqueer
  • Intersex
  • Male to Female
  • MTF
  • Neither
  • Neutrois
  • Non-binary
  • Other
  • Pangender
  • Trans
  • Trans*
  • Trans Female
  • Trans* Female
  • Trans Male
  • Trans* Male
  • Trans Man
  • Trans* Man
  • Trans Person
  • Trans* Person
  • Trans Woman
  • Trans* Woman
  • Transfeminine
  • Transgender
  • Transgender Female
  • Transgender Male
  • Transgender Man
  • Transgender Person
  • Transgender Woman
  • Transmasculine
  • Transsexual
  • Transsexual Female
  • Transsexual Male
  • Transsexual Man
  • Transsexual Person
  • Transsexual Woman
  • Two-Spirit
Seems perfectly logical to me. The last one seems silly I never mix my rum and whisky(intentially)
 
Let’s keep it on topic please. It’s supposed to be a thread about Starmer’s leadership, not transgender rights.
 
Let’s keep it on topic please. It’s supposed to be a thread about Starmer’s leadership, not transgender rights.

Would this not crossover if Labour were big on trans equality as a policy which I believe they are. I see plenty of discussions on policies for all parties being discussed in this thread and the Tory one.
 
  • Agender
  • Androgyne
  • Androgynous
  • Bigender
  • Cis
  • Cisgender
  • Cis Female
  • Cis Male
  • Cis Man
  • Cis Woman
  • Cisgender Female
  • Cisgender Male
  • Cisgender Man
  • Cisgender Woman
  • Female to Male
  • FTM
  • Gender Fluid
  • Gender Nonconforming
  • Gender Questioning
  • Gender Variant
  • Genderqueer
  • Intersex
  • Male to Female
  • MTF
  • Neither
  • Neutrois
  • Non-binary
  • Other
  • Pangender
  • Trans
  • Trans*
  • Trans Female
  • Trans* Female
  • Trans Male
  • Trans* Male
  • Trans Man
  • Trans* Man
  • Trans Person
  • Trans* Person
  • Trans Woman
  • Trans* Woman
  • Transfeminine
  • Transgender
  • Transgender Female
  • Transgender Male
  • Transgender Man
  • Transgender Person
  • Transgender Woman
  • Transmasculine
  • Transsexual
  • Transsexual Female
  • Transsexual Male
  • Transsexual Man
  • Transsexual Person
  • Transsexual Woman
  • Two-Spirit
Seems perfectly logical to me. The last one seems silly I never mix my rum and whisky(intentially)

You missed mine
 
Would this not crossover if Labour were big on trans equality as a policy which I believe they are. I see plenty of discussions on policies for all parties being discussed in this thread and the Tory one.
Fair enough, don’t think Starmer has really made any pronouncements either way on trans equality though, from what I’ve seen at least. Not really sure where he stands on it.
 
Fair enough, don’t think Starmer has really made any pronouncements either way on trans equality though, from what I’ve seen at least. Not really sure where he stands on it.

I think Labour in the main are quite keen but Keir appears a little reticent as he knows it could be a minefield. It’s something he needs to play very carefully I think he would prefer it to just disappear.
 
I think Labour in the main are quite keen but Keir appears a little reticent as he knows it could be a minefield. It’s something he needs to play very carefully I think he would prefer it to just disappear.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/...cognition-act-bbc-radio-4-today-labour-party/

“I don’t think the (Gender Recognition Act) legislation goes far enough . That then takes us into difficult questions. Let’s take those difficult questions in a mature, calm way without taking sides.” .....

“There’s a better way and that is to reflect and do it in a mature, I would hope cross-party, basis."


Keir Starmer
JUNE 29, 2020

Cross-party basis is code for "I'm blaming the Tories when nowt happens"
 
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https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/...cognition-act-bbc-radio-4-today-labour-party/

“I don’t think the (Gender Recognition Act) legislation goes far enough . That then takes us into difficult questions. Let’s take those difficult questions in a mature, calm way without taking sides.” .....

“There’s a better way and that is to reflect and do it in a mature, I would hope cross-party, basis."


Keir Starmer
JUNE 29, 2020

Cross-party basis is code for "I'm blaming the Tories when nowt happens"


Fair play he ain’t daft whether it will work will depend on how much support the likes of RLB will get. I would guess they will get marginalised pretty quickly.
 
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/...cognition-act-bbc-radio-4-today-labour-party/

“I don’t think the (Gender Recognition Act) legislation goes far enough . That then takes us into difficult questions. Let’s take those difficult questions in a mature, calm way without taking sides.” .....

“There’s a better way and that is to reflect and do it in a mature, I would hope cross-party, basis."


Keir Starmer
JUNE 29, 2020

Cross-party basis is code for "I'm blaming the Tories when nowt happens"

I read that as lets not make this in to a massive political issue as the only people interested in that are the extremes and 99% of the population think its not a big issue and can be resolved without any drama.
 
I read that as lets not make this in to a massive political issue as the only people interested in that are the extremes and 99% of the population think its not a big issue and can be resolved without any drama.

You're wrong mate. The Tories won't move on this, there's no upside for them, traditional values and all that. This topic has no traction in the Tory heartlands and very little in their new northern seats. Cummings wants this to rumble on, the economy is going south, there are some tough times ahead for the Tories. Starmer might appear like a boring bank clerk, but he's beginning to look like a safe pair of hands across the dispatch box from the fat fool, so far the Tories haven't been able to lay a glove on him, so they'll want the Labour Party he leads to look like a rag bag collection of identity politics fruit loops, and this is a handy little fire cracker to set off from time to time in the coming culture wars, which if you think about it is all these Tory f**kers have left.

99% of the population might not think this is a big issue, but over 50% of the population are women, an easy win for the Tories would be to frame this as safeguarding women's rights, safe spaces, single sex wards, toilets, changing rooms, women's sport, etc, etc, and so on and so forth, it might play well with the Asian community as well and all they have to do is nothing and watch Starmer swivel, It's a no brainer.
 
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You're wrong mate. The Tories won't move on this, there's no upside for them, traditional values and all that. This topic has no traction in the Tory heartlands and very little in their new northern seats. Cummings wants this to rumble on, the economy is going south, there are some tough times ahead for the Tories. Starmer might appear like a boring bank clerk, but he's beginning to look like a safe pair of hands across the dispatch box from the fat fool, so far the Tories haven't been able to lay a glove on him, so they'll want the Labour Party he leads to look like a rag bag collection of identity politics fruit loops, and this is a handy little fire cracker to set off from time to time in the coming culture wars, which if you think about it is all these Tory f**kers have left.

99% of the population might not think this is a big issue, but over 50% of the population are women, an easy win for the Tories would be to frame this as safeguarding women's rights, safe spaces, single sex wards, toilets, changing rooms, women's sport, etc, etc, and so on and so forth, it might play well with the Asian community as well and all they have to do is nothing and watch Starmer swivel, It's a no brainer.

I fully agree on this. There is nothing to be gained by Starmer on this - its not a vote winner. The tories will as you say keep poking at it as it plays to their idiot base. But Starmer is adept at not giving them oxygen. See his total lack of brexit comments to date. He knows what they want to talk about it and he doesn't take the bait.
 
Fair play he ain’t daft whether it will work will depend on how much support the likes of RLB will get. I would guess they will get marginalised pretty quickly.

I beg to differ, changes to the gender recognition act has no traction in the country that's true, but it does have traction amongst the young in the Labour party, as Owen Jones puts it, for the young in the party it has become an "act of faith" to vigorously campaign to change the gender recognition act. But it is a Marmite issue, those against it in the party are very against it, Why does this matter? Because we are four and a half years from an election, Starmer is head of the party but he does not yet lead it, and trivial as this issue might seem from the outside looking in, it is symptomatic of major fault lines in a bruised and divided party.

So far Starmer has used language designed to create consensus, but it's political fluff and nonsense, and he knows it, there's no consensus and those on the left who held their noses and voted for Starmer because of his leftish rhetoric at the hustings are beginning to smell a rat, the sacking of RLB did not go down well on the left, paying off the blairite staffers didn't either, and now they see him back peddling on the gender recognition act, the cry of Blair Mark II can be heard.

You might consider this noises off, but these things matter when resentment and recrimination are the order of the day. Labour is in the wilderness now, the party is divided top to bottom, issues like this take on a significance far greater than those on the outside appreciate.

The Tories? They will do precisely nothing to help Starmer, that should not surprise anyone.
 
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