It is you who is patronising consistently misinterpreting things to prove the AS agenda when it has been rubbished. I get you are no socialist, that is fine. I am bitter because those cunts didn't do the walking streets or the canvassing, you don't understand how much the Blairites betrayed the party because you are not a Labour supporter or a person who worked so hard to get a labour government.Did I say all of the Labour Party, including it’s membership are scum? No I did not.
I didn’t specify who I was talking about within the party, so less of the victimhood when I didn’t call you anything of the like.
The report, which you’re obsessively claiming I didn’t read every single time you reply to me, highlighted that yes there was antisemitism within the party and that those who were supposed to be opposed to it, were using it to beat Corbyn with and making the situation worse.
It implicates a substantial amount of people on the two divides of the infighting, hence why I said “conveyor belt of scum” within the party.
Maybe if you got down off your high horse and stopped being bitter and patronising at the fact that Labour had the worst defeat since 1935 due to your politics not being popular, you’d cheer up a bit.
Even if she did act to oust Corbyn as leader, even if she did conspire to return the party to Blairites, she’s a relatively young MP, under Corbyn’s leadership, who was receiving the most abusive and disgusting racist messages and death threats.
Corbyn should have offered her some support and at least called her, who knows he may have won her around by doing so? That’s what a leader does.
Where was he?
The most damaging line to your success as political ideologues is the insistence that Corbyn would have got in if the general public weren’t manipulated by the media and Blairites in the party.
The sheer gall to patronise the electorate to this degree is why they will reject your politics every time.
It is you who is patronising consistently misinterpreting things to prove the AS agenda when it has been rubbished. I get you are no socialist, that is fine. I am bitter because those cunts didn't do the walking streets or the canvassing, you don't understand how much the Blairites betrayed the party because you are not a Labour supporter or a person who worked so hard to get a labour government.
Del Piero I have zero sympathy with, like the rest of the cunts they stabbed us, the members who pay the subs , in the back, they ignored our democratic wishes and made sure we didn't win. So yes I have every right to be bitter about it because I put money in i could barely afford and took time out to try my best to get a Labour government only for the likes of her to betray us the members. You can bang on and on about the politics not being popular, but the policies were, but divided parties don't get elected and the backstabbing cunts knew that. They enabled the worst government in my lifetime because they weren't Socialist, so fuck them, get rid of the fucking lot of them and take Starmer with them. If I was Corbyn I would have kicked her out before she got any abuse and I would kicked the likes of Austin and Hodge out too, they are the scum in the party, not the people who worked their socks off for a labour government.
You are not passionate in your beliefs like me, you are happy to be a soulless contrarian, I will stick by my beliefs and hope for a Socialist Labour party in which we the members can be proud off.
So you think the media attacks, the backstabbing by the Blairites made no difference?
The constant drip drip drip of stories about the IRA, Anti-semitism, Hamas, the constant whining of the Blairities, the constant vilification by the rw media made no difference at all, you really believe that?
Has all the anti-Semitism stopped since Starmer became leader, where is the vilifcation of Starmer, apart from a non story about a donkey field has he even been under the microscope of the media been approaching the level of Ed Miliband never mind Corbyn, where are the anti Semitism stories now? Where have all the momentum scare stories gone? Why is the IRA not in the news, why do we no longer hear about Palestine? When was the last time you saw a story about Hamas? If these were all dangers 12 months ago, why are they not dangerous now?
The RW media are fawning over Starmer, he is Mr Forensic, have you ever asked yourself why?
Are you that blind to propaganda that you cannot see that Starmer offers no threat to the right wing hegemony, his pro EU stance will get him nowhere, brexit is finished, he is no threat to where it hurts them most. The pockets of their donors.
The electorate do not need patronising if they believe the shit that comes out from the Tufton Street media machine. They are already being treated as idiots by the RW media anyway and the election and support of Johnson proves they are gullible and easily manipulated.
So was John McDonnell lying when he said they didn’t do enough to rid the party of antisemitism and it was an unfortunately going to be the lasting legacy of Corbyn?
You’ve ignored my point that the report confirmed antisemitism was an issue, it obviously wouldn’t have been there to use as a weapon by the centrist element of the party if there wasn’t a significant issue within the party. I notice how in the Tory thread you’re more than happy to bash them for Islamophobia but there’s it’s all a conspiracy in Labour and it’s not an issue you wish to debate, rather focusing on those using it as a weapon.
I’m absolutely proud not to be an ideologue so entrenched in my views that I’m not one of you. You’re an apologist for fringe views that have allowed antisemitism to creep into a supposed anti racist party. It’s the socialist way or the high way and everyone else is immoral to you.
I prefer to judge individual policies by merit but for the record I’ve voted Labour just as much as anyone else. I also quite liked the 2017 Labour manifesto and supported a lot of its content.
So it’s okay and you’re happy for a young Jewish MP to receive death threats and rabid antisemitic remarks because she didn’t like your man? Get lost, Corbyn should have supported her even if they didn’t like each other, it’s his job and that’s the failure he’ll be remembered for.
I’ll be perfectly honest Russ and you may not like it, you’re a bitter man stuck in his ways, who cannot see that the electorate wholly rejected what you’ve put so much time in to, I appreciate that’s got to hurt but there’s not excuse to lash out at people who happen to disagree and to excuse such vitriolic racism, even directed at one of your own MPs.
Yes I read the morning star and?You’ve openly admitted that you only read the Morning Star nowadays.
Of course you think there’s a huge conspiracy, sat there in your tin foil hat, shouting about Blairites and the media, when Labour didn’t narrowly lose, they lost by the biggest margin since 1935.
But there you go again patronising the working class and you wonder why they don’t like your type?
I am bitter about it.
I am not excusing racism, I said I would have kicked her out before she received any. That is not excusing it.
Do you support the racism of the Blairites towards Diane Abbott?
And the only people in the labour movement who disagreed where the likes of Del Piero, Austin, Smith and Hodge who went against the democratic will of the membership, you ignore that point time after time and go on about the electorate. This is not about the electorate, it is an internal labour party issue. You keep popping up in the Labour party thread to say your piece which is fine, but its an internal Labour party problem. Until that is resolved then we will not ever be elected again, That is why Labour party members are so passionate it, we see the soul of our party being ripped apart by people who are not and never will be Socialists. I personally see little point in a Labour party that isn't Socialist, the members wanted a Socialist labour party but the PLP stabbed the members in the back. The biggest mistake Corbyn made was not grabbing the internal levers of Labour party control and ridding the party of the backstabbers, that was the mistake he made.
Yes I read the morning star and?
You have your view on the election, I have mine. There wouldn't have even been an election if the backstabbers hadn't caused the defeat in 2017 where only a few hundred votes cost the party power.