Keir Starmer

[Rascal]

Why the fuck is Starmer still broadly supportive of this government.

It is so frustrating watching him being nice and the media going nuts over his app reply.

What about the total mismanagement of the crisis and the unreal amount of deaths in care homes. He should be nailing Johnsons hat on not being broadly supportive on the ****.

 

[Rascal]

I can’t stand staunch ideologues who only look at politics through the prism of one belief, left or right.


You know more than me and probably every one else on this board but that doesn’t mean your opinion is more worthy and it doesn’t mean you can act condescendingly towards others, it also doesn’t mean you’ve not become totally deluded.

I will answer these two points and leave it, this isnt a place that should be dominated by me and you arguing.

I am an idealogue, i have beliefs, i have come to those beliefs by being broadly read and understanding how the right of politics comes to its conclusions. I weighed up the arguments and i believe Socialism is better, so yes i am ideologue because i have beliefs based on being educated in all sides of the debate.

I dont know more than anyone else at all, that is nonsense, i know what i know, it does not mean what others know is not as relevant. If you find me condescending then maybe i am in your case, i dont intend to be, but if that is how it comes across then sorry about that.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Why the fuck is Starmer still broadly supportive of this government.

It is so frustrating watching him being nice and the media going nuts over his app reply.

What about the total mismanagement of the crisis and the unreal amount of deaths in care homes. He should be nailing Johnsons hat on not being broadly supportive on the ****.

I think it is called choosing your battles. He has been excellent in my opinion. Simple questions with sharp focus. As they say ' there isnt a man in a mansion, an accurate pen wont puncture'.
He has set the agenda about the App and the promises made. His caviated backing of current lifting of lock down is not a reflection of his view on the whole fiasco. It allows his question to stand and hit home. Corbyn was all bluster and overlong in explaining ill targeted questions. Even a 10 year old could side step. He was all about positioning and not about accountability of the government.

 

[Ban-jani]

I will answer these two points and leave it, this isnt a place that should be dominated by me and you arguing.

I am an idealogue, i have beliefs, i have come to those beliefs by being broadly read and understanding how the right of politics comes to its conclusions. I weighed up the arguments and i believe Socialism is better, so yes i am ideologue because i have beliefs based on being educated in all sides of the debate.

I dont know more than anyone else at all, that is nonsense, i know what i know, it does not mean what others know is not as relevant. If you find me condescending then maybe i am in your case, i dont intend to be, but if that is how it comes across then sorry about that.

There’s nothing wrong with having beliefs, I just have a problem with people who have those beliefs at any cost and want to enact them even in areas where it’s a bad idea.

For example the nationalising of Openreach, which the former CEO said would cost many jobs across the country, would be a complete disaster, as it was in Australia when they tried the same policy.

It was an ideological decision and not one borne out of necessity or objective analysis of it being a success. I just don’t think it’s the right way to run a country.

And don’t get me started on the ridiculous amount of identity politics in the party.

Well I think you likely have a larger knowledge base to call upon than anyone on here but I appreciate the apology.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Consistently opposing is all well and good, and it's certainly much easier than governing.
How long has Starmer been leader now? Before him, everyone knew exactly what Corbyn
and his front bench represented, I'm not talking about manifestos, but so far, nobody
has a Scooby whether Starmer is going down the same route, has totally different policies
and ideas, or has no idea himself. If this govt, for whatever reason,suddenly collapsed, would we
vote Labour just for the sake of it? No, so is he a full on Socialist, a left leaning traditionalist,
does he support nationalisation? etc; etc;
As yet, he's just an insipid sniper, let's have some meat on the bones.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Some hot takes on here. Starmer doesn't need to write a manifesto right now so why would he.

Tories are doing what tories do, incompetence and corruption. Starmer just needs to keep asking the right questions and he does that very well.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

He's got 4 and a half years in opposition, and given the state of the country and world at this point coming up with policies that could be irrelevant is just something to be undone at the first opportunity.

His job is to hold the government to account, highlight their lies and broken promises and make sure the media and public hear it. He has no power to do much else. I didn't even mind Corbyn so much in that role, the issue for him was the minute they came up with a manifesto and you were presented with him, McDonnell and Abbott as the alternative it became unpalatable. Hopefully when Starmer's time comes his manifesto and team is stronger and more respectful of humanity, science and natural law and British society.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

He's got 4 and a half years in opposition, and given the state of the country and world at this point coming up with policies that could be irrelevant is just something to be undone at the first opportunity.

His job is to hold the government to account, highlight their lies and broken promises and make sure the media and public hear it. He has no power to do much else. I didn't even mind Corbyn so much in that role, the issue for him was the minute they came up with a manifesto and you were presented with him, McDonnell and Abbott as the alternative it became unpalatable. Hopefully when Starmer's time comes his manifesto and team is stronger and more respectful of humanity, science and natural law and British society.

Agree. The No1 priority is to expose the failings of tories. The tories would like him to do almost anything else (as would some corbynites who are desperate to label him as blairite scum). Starmer is playing this very well, keep all the focus on tory failings. There is no point in giving exposure to any other issue when they are making such a mess. Direction of travel in polls backs it up.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Some hot takes on here. Starmer doesn't need to write a manifesto right now so why would he.

Tories are doing what tories do, incompetence and corruption. Starmer just needs to keep asking the right questions and he does that very well.

I've said, nobody's expecting manifesto's, but for all we know Starmer's views
may be outlandish, fair, or unworkable. The Tories are in power, and whatever
these questions are, can simply bat them away in the knowledge that the questioner
has nothing to offer as alternatives as nobody knows what they are.
So it's like being mithered by an irrelevant nuisance every week.
I believe the reasons are simple, he cannot upset the members, who are chock
full of Corbynites, his cabinet comprises of a few that are viewed by the electorate
as toxic, the Blairite wing, he knows, are the only possible election winners, so he's got to
appease everyone by being Mr Bland.
So we're seeing a re run of fence sitting of the type adopted by Jezza, and
we know what happened to him.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I've said, nobody's expecting manifesto's, but for all we know Starmer's views
may be outlandish, fair, or unworkable. The Tories are in power, and whatever
these questions are, can simply bat them away in the knowledge that the questioner
has nothing to offer as alternatives as nobody knows what they are.
So it's like being mithered by an irrelevant nuisance every week.
I believe the reasons are simple, he cannot upset the members, who are chock
full of Corbynites, his cabinet comprises of a few that are viewed by the electorate
as toxic, the Blairite wing, he knows, are the only possible election winners, so he's got to
appease everyone by being Mr Bland.
So we're seeing a re run of fence sitting of the type adopted by Jezza, and
we know what happened to him.

So, 6 months after an election hiding, 3 months into a Covid pandemic and the biggest economic crisis the country has ever faced, 3 months in the job and 5 months away from a possible no deal Brexit and you think Starmer should have a manifesto? I appreciate that you don’t think the current government can do any wrong but that’s a bit far-fetched, even for you.