Keir Starmer

[blueinsa]

It's 100% going to be Rebecca Long Bailey.

Corbynista? Check
Woman? Check
Whiney horrible protester? Check
Completely out of touch with anyone other than hard left Labour voters? Check

It's nailed on IMO.

Backed by the current mob? Check.

 

[Scottyboi]

Fair play to Flint for just outing Thornberry.

 

[George Hannah]

I don't really care but I'd go with Nandy

Me too, I do care though but the rest of those being touted on here are pure McCluskey poison or utterly unsuitable.

 

[Fame Monster]

As a remaine rhe kept.to his stance, that fight and debate is over, brexit is done, it is happening all remainer now to need stop crying nad get on board with the future, if Lewis does this then I have no issue with him keeping to his pricipals on remain.

On imigration, as someone who has been effected by present imigration rules I can only imagine how worse it can be for actual imigrants.


I am not saying lewis is the option, but if it is someone from the self titled blue labour lot nothing will change or heal , if it is entrenched to be a momentum picked one nothing will change or heal.

Honestly name me an MP, inbetween the two factions that can deliver unity.


And it deffinately isn't phillips or burgon

If I'm honest, I don't think there needs to be a healing between the different factions, I think things are that bad that there needs to be a gradual purge of those who've treated working class voters with contempt if Labour will ever be elected again.

Listening to Stephen Kinnock the other day, he was absolutely right. Labour needs to become more patriotic. That doesn't mean pursuing a hard brexit, stopping ethnic minorities from immigrating, or going to war every 5 years but it means not calling voters thick, racist, they didn't know what they were voting for etc.

Sadly, on the basis of the above criteria, that means a lot of Labour MPs need to be sent to the backbenches and kept out of the public spotlight. There's probably plenty who need to be deselected too. And that applies to those both on the left and right of the party in terms of how they think the economy should be.

With the way the party's run at the minute, that just isn't going to happen because so much of the membership shares these views of the electorate, especially the middle class Momentum types. So I think the purge can only happen at a very slow pace if at all.

Lisa Nandy is capable of that imo, and so is Dan Jarvis (difficult because he's also a mayor). They're also not tainted by consistently blocking Brexit and as far as I'm aware, have never sneered that the working class are thick or racist.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Fair play to Flint for just outing Thornberry.

DIdn't see it, but this is the point I made in the GE thread. Only those now out of politics or with no ambitions can speak their minds. Everyone apart from Marxists realise that Labour has since 2015 been treading completely the wrong path. Ed Milliband and his policies were a problem, and Corbyn has simply amplified them and made it even worse.

The problem is that Corbyn and his cronies have such a grip on the party, it's very difficult to see how anyone who is openly critical in this way, will ever win their leadership election - where ultimately a Momentum-dominated party membership will choose. Potential candidates either have to be true Cobynistas, or pretend to be one, or they have no chance.

This is why you see Caroline Flint and John Mann and Ruth Smeeth etc have been so openly critical, whereas others dare not.

Let us not forget that 3 years ago, 81% of Labour MPs voted no confidence in their leader.

 

[Fame Monster]

Fair play to Flint for just outing Thornberry.

In the wake of the referendum result, nobody has acted with more class and dignity than Flint (especially given that she was a remainer) and if some of the Labour MPs who blocked May's deal had behaved with the same degree of class, they might have kept their jobs. I'm glad her final act was to ensure Thornberry will never be the leader of the Labour movement.

 

[urban genie]

Lisa Nandy is capable of that imo, and so is Dan Jarvis (difficult because he's also a mayor). They're also not tainted by consistently blocking Brexit and as far as I'm aware, have never sneered that the working class are thick or racist.

The progress side are pushing Nandy and Phillips already, and as I said if the members stay true to form niether would win if they both stand as they will split that vote.

The same could happen with the left if long bailey, raynor and another also stand against each other.

Thornbury has no chance from either side

Strange how women like creassy, powell and cooper haven't been muted as possible contenders

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

From a Tory perspective, yes, she ticks all the right boxes. The main one being, "Completely unelectable"? Check.

Let's be honest, whoever it is will be portrayed as unelectable unless it's a fucking tory

 

[blueinsa]

In the wake of the referendum result, nobody has acted with more class and dignity than Flint (especially given that she was a remainer) and if some of the Labour MPs who blocked May's deal had behaved with the same degree of class, they might have kept their jobs. I'm glad her final act was to ensure Thornberry will never be the leader of the Labour movement.

Very much this.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Tony blair, gordon brown, donald dewer, john prescot, mo mowlam, alister darling, robin cook, clair short, chris smith, geoff hoon, harriet harman, frank dobson, margaret becket.

That was the 97 cabinet, those were the ones that brought in the good things at the start of new labour as well as stuff I disagreed with, but still I have a respect fpr that original cabinet.

The next generation of MPs cooper, balls, milliband, smith, the eagles, hunt, and many more forgettable ones were not them and never would be as good a politician, in fact all were crap and why labour declining in support in the mebership, this is what I mean about romanticising btw, thinking the second lot were any good to replace the 97 cabinet, because they weren't then and aren't now and are also why people turned to corbyn as their ineptitude and willingness to back austerity was such people wanted to try a new direction.

What comes next? Who knows but looking back at the class of mid 00s thinking they are the answer isn't it.

I honestly don’t know how a Corbyn supporter, with a straight face, can say the mid 00s cabinet was responsible for Labour’s support “starting to drop”.

It’s disingenuous at best, and out right cheeky at worst.

Labour’s support reached the highest levels in history during that period after 2 consecutive landslide victories. Support didn’t “start to drop” because people were pissed off at centre left policies.

Support started to drop because the same leader was heading in to a 3rd term, it’s inevitable support starts to wane. Also Iraq clearly (and quite rightly) had a huge impact in support falling.

Brown came in and steered the party to the left, the policies you are advocating, and guess what? Support for the party fell off a cliff and they lost the election after turning leftwards.

The last 4 elections the party has gone further to the left each time and support has dropped each time. And your explanation for Thursday’s result is because people 15 years ago were “sick of centre-left policies?” Do me a favour.