Keir Starmer

[Vic]

If they divide though that just makes the Tories stronger. I think the el ephant in the room is a lot of Labour members and MPs don’t like the views of their historic base support ie the working class.

Which views? That sort of makes a patronising assumption that the working class all have the same views.

 

[WNRH]

I apologise for saying ‘people like you’.

For now, we’re at a good point in really ramming home the message and educating people about racism - it’s positive we are having this convo and so many others.
watch Wrights interview with Shearer , it’s really powerful to understand how racism exists and the abuse black people still get.
It’s not something we should just sweep under the carpet simply because ‘racism will always exist’
In the 70’s you would have had people saying ‘oh it’s just the odd monkey chant and banana’ it’s always gonna exist- that’s been rooted out the stands by tackling racism - now we in a position to root it out of social media and workplaces and take stronger action. I’m sure it will calm down eventually and yes racism will exist - but if steps have been taken in the last few months by making those racists get tougher sentences, if workplaces look at ways to be more inclusive etc then even that’s been worth it.

I don’t disagree with much of what you say here in generaI. I just think it’s preaching to the wrong crowd and there has been an overkill and had lost its impact.

Do you think that someone has seen this campaign over the last 12 months and decided to no longer call a black person a monkey or to cut back on any other racist actions?

I don’t believe that to be the case personally.

Anyway, we’re going off topic here as the original comment was about Keir Starmer. The knee taking is a BLM movement that originated in America based on the fucked up American societal issues they have and my point was by jumping on that bandwagon is one example of how he isn’t representing the people he is supposed to here in this country.

Same can be said for his performances during the pandemic. He has sat on the fence throughout and not called the corrupt government we currently have to account.

The simple fact from my point is he is not representing anyone which is why Labour are dead.

 

[paulchapo]

I said this when he was elected. The Labour leader needs to be someone who is more connected to the Labour vote in the north. Someone with carisma, someone who clearly backs this country and its people to the hilt and someone people can identify with. Not a pasty faced wishy washy London politician like Starmer. Imo it wouldnt take many of those qualities to topple Boris as he isnt a good PM when it comes to handling a crisis, hes a fair weather PM.

Spot on he's a wet blanket and I reckon he comes across that way even amongst the middle classes. He hasn't a hope in hell of identifying with the working class or most people up north. He's a nothing man.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I feel for Starmer. He comes across as a decent man, but he has inherited a mess of a party after Corbyn's spell in charge. The Conservatives are deeply unpopular, with a figurehead that comes across as a bumbling idiot. And yet, the public don't seem to be able to trust Labour enough to vote against them. That Hartlepool by election result was an absolute disaster for Labour. A seat that was rock solid red for nigh on fifty years, in what would be seen in an area of the country that would be viewed as a stronghold for Labour. And yet the tories strolled over the finishing line. Hard to see Labour being in a serious position to challenge for government in the next 5-10 years.

People are not stupid, despite what some on here say, Starmer supported Corbyn every step of his disastrous tenure. he didn't criticise, he supported the ridiculous in-out shake it all about EU position, in short, he was all for him.
Choosing Starmer was a mistake, as he's now attempting to put the blame onto his predecessor, he's realised that the public won't vote for socialism, but his past actions cosying up to Jezza&Co are not forgotten.
The other mistake people are making is the opinion that the Conservatives are deeply unpopular, they're not, Johnson is rated over Starmer by a massive distance, so is the party overall. The Libs are now totally gone, the Greens are just wide eyed naive bumblers with miniscule support, everyone
else, simply irrelevant.
As you say, it's hard to see Labour in power anytime soon.

 

[mat]

Spot on he's a wet blanket and I reckon he comes across that way even amongst the middle classes. He hasn't a hope in hell of identifying with the working class or most people up north. He's a nothing man.

Would Clive Lewis be able to make that connection? He's got something about him. However he's a bit too middle class for me. I'm happy to be proved wrong mind.

 

[Len Rum]

And here's another example of a myopic interpretation of the UK, it's
now in a 'Dire state.' Labour have spent the last 16 years giving the impression
that the country is on its knees with the wicked Tories showing no interest in
the people, and handing all their money to their 'mates.'
They portray Britain as some Dickensian hellhole with millions in poverty.
Facts, statistics, welfare payment amounts, all available online, are dismissed and ignored. Workers look around and don't see this rampant poverty, they then look at the people propounding this view, and they see middle class, pampered bubble brats like Jones and Sarkar.
Unless the party ditches this mindset it's gone forever.

" Workers look around and don't see this rampant poverty".
That's a low bar mate.
Well done the Tories!
Austerity must have worked for Hartlepool et al!
LOL.

 

[hilts]

Which views? That sort of makes a patronising assumption that the working class all have the same views.

Not really a lot of their base support have stopped voting for them. The days of the working class automatically voting for Labour are dwindling. The class war isn't at The forefront of northerners thinking any more.

They always try to play the morally correct card and lose votes doing it. I almost feel sorry for them.

 

[paulchapo]

Would Clive Lewis be able to make that connection? He's got something about him. However he's a bit too middle class for me. I'm happy to be proved wrong mind.

Who knows as you say? The whole party needs a good shake up and reality check. They appear to spend all their time arguing amongst themselves or going on daytime TV ranting about equal rights, diversity etcetera, anything except policies that actually matter to the average person. Stuff like jobs, wages, housing, law and order, quality of life. Worse they have a tendency to patronise anyone who disagrees with them, this was particularly true of the Brexit vote. The only party worse than Labour was the Liberal democrats under the hideous Swinson.

 

[mat]

Who knows as you say? The whole party needs a good shake up and reality check. They appear to spend all their time arguing amongst themselves or going on daytime TV ranting about equal rights, diversity etcetera, anything except policies that actually matter to the average person. Stuff like jobs, wages, housing, law and order, quality of life. Worse they have a tendency to patronise anyone who disagrees with them, this was particularly true of the Brexit vote. The only party worse than Labour was the Liberal democrats under the hideous Swinson.

Despite my reservations about him. One of his strengths is personality.

I've witnessed him both speaking/debating and socially. He has a good relationship with the younger labour voters.

He does have a charismatic character which in these days of the cult of personality could work.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Who knows as you say? The whole party needs a good shake up and reality check. They appear to spend all their time arguing amongst themselves or going on daytime TV ranting about equal rights, diversity etcetera, anything except policies that actually matter to the average person. Stuff like jobs, wages, housing, law and order, quality of life. Worse they have a tendency to patronise anyone who disagrees with them, this was particularly true of the Brexit vote. The only party worse than Labour was the Liberal democrats under the hideous Swinson.

I quite liked swinson, nice fun bags.

 

[paulchapo]

Despite my reservations about him. One of his strengths is personality.

I've witnessed him both speaking/debating and socially. He has a good relationship with the younger labour voters.

He does have a charismatic character which in these days of the cult of personality could work.

Whether people like it or not a big personality and some kind of charisma helps. Blair had it when he was elected and as divisive as he his bumbling Boris has it. He couldn't give a shit about the plebs in the street but he puts a good act on he's a man of the people and lots lap it up.

 

[paulchapo]

I quite liked swinson, nice fun bags.

Ha ha. She always struck me as slightly deranged, something in her eyes, a bit like one of those evangelist preachers in the States. A patronising headmistress

 

[bert38]

So many problems for labour right now with no sign of change:

Vaccine bounce (people have v short memories)
Johnson dominating the media irrespective of the shite he spouts (ala trump) making it v hard for starmer and labour to be heard above the noise.
Brexit (hidden by covid) still a vote winner-esp among traditional labour voters.

Really hard to see what they can do? The country swings more and more to the right and its all rather depressing.

Cummings revelations in a few weeks may bring hope of change-but I very much doubt it.

Tories won 51% of a 42% turn out in hartlepool-thats the other problem, voter apathy, but perhaps (as in US) the route out if labour can mobilise voters.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Ha ha. She always struck me as slightly deranged, something in her eyes, a bit like one of those evangelist preachers in the States. A patronising headmistress

As far as mad as a box of frogs Libs go, I'll see your Swinson and raise you one Layla Moran.

 

[paulchapo]

Ha ha this is a bloody classic, no wonder Labour is fucked.

 

[mat]

As far as mad as a box of frogs Libs go, I'll see your Swinson and raise you one Layla Moran.

I think she's be a psycho in the bedroom. You'd be looking for ice picks before you got jiggy.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think she's be a psycho in the bedroom. You'd be looking for ice picks before you got jiggy.

Mad birds are always great in bed.

 

[mat]

Mad birds are always great in bed.

Speaking from experience I concur.

 

[TheBlueDune]

Ha ha this is a bloody classic, no wonder Labour is fucked.

That's got to be a spoof.

Nobody can be that stupid.

Look at the replies, some classics in there of how some people don't think

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

I see Starmer is taking full responsibility by sacking Rayner.

That's sure to be a popular move.