Keir Starmer

[bluethrunthru]

My nephew is going over to France, (as soon as travel restrictions are lifted), he wants
to travel around, and work here and there for 6 months or so.
After poring over maps, bus and train timetables, contacting potential employers,
he speaks French, and his girlfriend is French, (and very beautiful)
and planning his routes etc; I've never heard him saying he's banned from entering.
I'll have to tell him.

I suggest you read what I wrote. You are answering an unasked question

 

[Vic]

This is one of the problems created. If Israel annexe the West Bank as is being reported as possible, then is calling for sanctions anti-Semitic or anti-imperialist. I would say its anti=imperialist and the left has traditionally been anti-imperialist, but if it is seen as anti-Semitic then Israel can act with impunity and Starmer who is backed into a corner has to sack Nandy for supporting a long held Labour value. That further increases division in the party as it is questioning the parties commitment to being anti-imperialist.

Its a fucking mess and Starmer has made a rod for his own back by sacking RLB.

Here's an interesting take on it. I think it's suggesting that annexation of the West Bank would increase AS.

Annexation would represent a violation of international law. It would also be a gift to those who want to perpetuate the old stories about Israel.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Interesting that none of them says this isn't true.

But what you singularly fail to factor in is the millions of people like myself who voted labour knowing that if there was a 2nd ref I would be voting leave.

Not all labour voters are metropolitan suburban affluent remain voters. Millions are working class leave voters.
I know this is difficult to understand but it's true.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/job-interviews-british-citizens-europe-brexit-a9593066.html?amp

So far, he's had a few replies, a couple for farm work and one in a factory
in Nantes. If all those restrictions are in enforced by the French, then the 300,000
living just in London, will face the same arbitrary rules, which benefits absolutely
nobody.

 

[Vic]

But what you singularly fail to factor in is the millions of people like myself who voted labour knowing that if there was a 2nd ref I would be voting leave.

Not all labour voters are metropolitan suburban affluent remain voters. Millions are working class leave voters.
I know this is difficult to understand but it's true.

It's not difficult at all. We lost lots of them to the Tories. But as most Labour voters of all classes wanted to Remain (want to) then it's not difficult to see why allowing another democratic vote was a proper option, which you took.

 

[Vic]

So far, he's had a few replies, a couple for farm work and one in a factory
in Nantes. If all those restrictions are in enforced by the French, then the 300,000
living just in London, will face the same arbitrary rules, which benefits absolutely
nobody.

He's not going for a permanent job.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I suggest you read what I wrote. You are answering an unasked question

He won't be able to work, or travel, because the UK has imposed restrictions on FOM?
that's what appears to be the gist of it.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

He's not going for a permanent job.

Which will also mean that the French part timer in London get's shown the door.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The answer you gave was -

" he's banned from entering "

I never suggested he was. I simply stated that there are now travel and working restriction that do apply and that don't apply to the citizens of 27 other countries. And if he is going for a wander they will apply at every single border in the EU he comes to. Every time he wants to cross into another country. That this is the case is our choice its not being imposed on us by the EU.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The answer you gave was -

" he's banned from entering "

I never suggested he was. I simply stated that there are now travel and working restriction that do apply and that don't apply to the citizens of 27 other countries. And if he is going for a wander they will apply at every single border in the EU he comes to. Every time he wants to cross into another country. That this is the case is our choice its not being imposed on us by the EU.

I've been for a wander in Spain many times, each time I go, I've been stopped
at the airport by the police in booths, and asked to show my passport. This has
happened every time I've gone for Donkey's years, sometimes I get questioned, sometimes
I don't. When I've driven from Spain to France, the same happens.
When I drove to Germany 20 years ago, I was stopped at the border and had the
same experiences.
So I don't think Neil, the nephew, will be all that bothered.