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Keir Starmer
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Rascal
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BothIs that because you just don't like him or you disagree with his vote last night.
bluethrunthru
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It is milking the political capital out of brexit - ending FOM is what it is all about as its red meat to the tory base and they can jeer at Labour and call them out for being soft on immigration.
FOM isn't ended. It still exists in the EU. What has happened is we have cut ourselves off from FOM and imposed travel restrictions upon ourselves. Had we stayed we breeze through customs as normal - now we join the non-EU queue. Belgians can still drive straight into France and Germans can still go to Crete on holidays.
Churchlawtonblue
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You may be right you may be wrong. But what you can't say is that you are 100% certain. What is certain is that remaining in the EU has been rejected twice. And people like your good self and others need to understand and accept that and that the country now needs to pull together to try and make leaving the EU as much a success as possible. When we had a remain parliament this significantly hindered the UK getting a decent deal with the EU. We are now clearly in a much stronger negotiating position which should benefit us in getting what we want. The country has made momentous decisions in the past and we have survived and prospered. We are currently going through extremely difficult times economically and socially but we will survive and prosper again in the future. Having been lucky enough to travel to many places in the world, I truly believe we are very lucky to live in the UK. Our freedoms and standard of living are very high unlike so many places. I believe they will continue to be so. Sure they could be better in areas and we must strive to make them better wherever we can. And if in 4 years time we are not happy, we have the chance to rid ourselves of those in charge. They are accountable and we shall hold them to account. Anyway have a good day.The polls are consistent that brexit is not universally popular - you read this thread and you would think its 90% who voted for brexit, it rarely gets above 55% and is more often below 50% support. No deal is consistently sub 30%.
In any event the popularity of brexit as of right now is neither hear nor there. In 12 months time we will be living the reality and i can guarantee you that its popularity will fall through the floor. So if it starts at circa 50% popularity and is about to fall of a cliff it's not a great strategy to back it right now. Your are all in a dream world where you think brexit is going to result in sun lit uplands, its going to be a disaster. A clear cut and unequivocal failure, it will be as popular as dog shit at the next election.
Rascal
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Its probably accurate and I support leave.Get ready because any redundancies....brexits fault
Pandemic related recession...brexit
Pot holes in road....brexit
Cat next door dies ... brexit
The next wave of negativity will follow, then another, then A bit more
These remainers will never stop, we have not done what we should have and we must be punished
Ancient Citizen
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Fair enough, you could be right, and his Met base is all around him.True, but then he's between a rock and a hard place on this in the sense that he'd have got equally damning headlines had he gone the other way and pissed off his metropolitan base with "Starmer votes to end free movement". My guess is playing to that base here, and hoping Patel and co fuck it up.
The rock and a hard place is also a good analogy, and taking this stance doesn't
alter that fact. If it were me, I'd have supported it (even if against it it), because
the base to which you refer may hate him for it, but will never, ever vote Conservative,
whereas, the Northern vote is available for him to get back into the fold.
This is why I think he's been a poor choice, he's screwing Labour's chances doing this.
Ancient Citizen
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My nephew is going over to France, (as soon as travel restrictions are lifted), he wantsFOM isn't ended. It still exists in the EU. What has happened is we have cut ourselves off from FOM and imposed travel restrictions upon ourselves. Had we stayed we breeze through customs as normal - now we join the non-EU queue. Belgians can still drive straight into France and Germans can still go to Crete on holidays.
to travel around, and work here and there for 6 months or so.
After poring over maps, bus and train timetables, contacting potential employers,
he speaks French, and his girlfriend is French, (and very beautiful)
and planning his routes etc; I've never heard him saying he's banned from entering.
I'll have to tell him.
Interesting that none of them says this isn't true.For the record (yet again) - the majority of votes at two GEs and for MEPs were for parties either for Remaining or at least giving the choice back to the people in another referendum. You cannot change that inconvenient truth.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tish-citizens-europe-brexit-a9593066.html?ampMy nephew is going over to France, (as soon as travel restrictions are lifted), he wants
to travel around, and work here and there for 6 months or so.
After poring over maps, bus and train timetables, contacting potential employers,
he speaks French, and his girlfriend is French, (and very beautiful)
and planning his routes etc; I've never heard him saying he's banned from entering.
I'll have to tell him.