Keir Starmer

[Metal Biker]

In the wake of the referendum result, nobody has acted with more class and dignity than Flint (especially given that she was a remainer) and if some of the Labour MPs who blocked May's deal had behaved with the same degree of class, they might have kept their jobs. I'm glad her final act was to ensure Thornberry will never be the leader of the Labour movement.

A number of decent Labour MP's became casualties as a result of Labour's stance on important issues.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Let's be honest, whoever it is will be portrayed as unelectable unless it's a fucking tory

I don't think we regarded Tony Blair as either a Tory, or as unelectable. (The loony left regarded him as a Tory of course, but look where that perspective has got them!) The hard left need to wake up and smell the coffee: We are not living in the 1970's. Put forward a manifesto which speaks only to miners and steelworkers and don't be surprised when the 3 remaining miners and steelworkers are not sufficient to win you a majority. Labour need to move with the times, and offer hope and aspiration to the upwardly mobile working and middle classes. Because that is the majority of the population.

 

[urban genie]

I honestly don’t know how a Corbyn supporter, with a straight face, can say the mid 00s cabinet was responsible for Labour’s support “starting to drop”.

It’s disingenuous at best, and out right cheeky at worst.

Labour’s support reached the highest levels in history during that period after 2 consecutive landslide victories. Support didn’t “start to drop” because people were pissed off at centre left policies.

Support started to drop because the same leader was heading in to a 3rd term, it’s inevitable support starts to wane. Also Iraq clearly (and quite rightly) had a huge impact in support falling.

Brown came in and steered the party to the left, the policies you are advocating, and guess what? Support for the party fell off a cliff and they lost the election after turning leftwards.

The last 4 elections the party has gone further to the left each time and support has dropped each time. And your explanation for Thursday’s result is because people 15 years ago were “sick of centre-left policies?” Do me a favour.

Wel las I am not a corbyn of momentum acolyte I can say it with ease.

If you cannot see the ineptitude and blandness of cooper, smith, balls, milliband, milliband eagle, eagle, lewis byrne, creagh and how there complete lack of any ideas or thinking left labour as fucked then as we have been this last week.

We lost 94 seast in 2010 under thier young upcoming cabinet and 54 under them again in 2015.

If you really believe brown and milliband ean on a left wing program then we dissagree, the overton window was aligned to the right of centre for decades and the manifestos then ran wee not left wing but liberal social democratic.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Wel las I am not a corbyn of momentum acolyte I can say it with ease.

If you cannot see the ineptitude and blandness of cooper, smith, balls, milliband, milliband eagle, eagle, lewis byrne, creagh and how there complete lack of any ideas or thinking left labour as fucked then as we have been this last week.

We lost 94 seast in 2010 under thier young upcoming cabinet and 54 under them again in 2015.

If you really believe brown and milliband ean on a left wing program then we dissagree, the overton window was aligned to the right of centre for decades and the manifestos then ran wee not left wing but liberal social democratic.

We can have a philosophical debate about where the centre is, but record investment in the NHS, shortest waiting times in history, record investment in state education, the Good Friday agreement, the minimum wage, they’re left of centre policies for me and for British politics.

I keep hearing about UK politics compared with Scandinavia and it’s absolutely ridiculous. If the last 10 years have taught us anything, it’s that UK politics is a million miles from Scandinavia.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I honestly don’t know how a Corbyn supporter, with a straight face, can say the mid 00s cabinet was responsible for Labour’s support “starting to drop”.

It’s disingenuous at best, and out right cheeky at worst.

Labour’s support reached the highest levels in history during that period after 2 consecutive landslide victories. Support didn’t “start to drop” because people were pissed off at centre left policies.

Support started to drop because the same leader was heading in to a 3rd term, it’s inevitable support starts to wane. Also Iraq clearly (and quite rightly) had a huge impact in support falling.

Brown came in and steered the party to the left, the policies you are advocating, and guess what? Support for the party fell off a cliff and they lost the election after turning leftwards.

The last 4 elections the party has gone further to the left each time and support has dropped each time. And your explanation for Thursday’s result is because people 15 years ago were “sick of centre-left policies?” Do me a favour.

Someone needs to remind him - OK I'll do it - that in the GE in 2024, it will be 50 years since anyone other than Tony Blair won a GE for Labour. Let that sink in for one moment. 50. Years.

Carry on like they are and it will be 60, 70 years or never. Because the party will have broken up by then.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Someone needs to remind him - OK I'll do it - that in the GE in 2024, it will be 50 years since anyone other than Tony Blair won a GE for Labour. Let that sink in for one moment. 50. Years.

Carry on like they are and it will be 60, 70 years or never. Because the party will have broken up by then.

Unfortunately, some Corbyn supporters would be happy to never win an election again as long as they can lord it up on the sidelines, happy in the knowledge they have the bestest morals.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Unfortunately, some Corbyn supporters would be happy to never win an election again as long as they can lord it up on the sidelines, happy in the knowledge they have the bestest morals.

Hardly surprising when that's what Corbyn thinks he's been doing for his entire political career. I don't know what changed in him to make him fleetingly imagine he might be PM - he's always been happier objecting, rather than actually doing anything.

 

[mat]

Murdoch not pissing about. Shame it's the members that choose and not him.

 

[urban genie]

Murdoch not pissing about. Shame it's the members that choose and not him.

Murdoch and others will want to help apoint someone they can feel they work with, I expect a lot of pro phillips and nandy articles and them getting a lot of interview time.

 

[mat]

Murdoch and others will want to help apoint someone they can feel they work with, I expect a lot of pro phillips and nandy articles and them getting a lot of interview time.

Phillips got a nice little 'celebrity' article in The Sunday Times.