Keir Starmer

[inbetween]

Whilst Milliband doubtless feels he has tried for high office and isn't interested Starmer needs to promote him in the shadow cabinet for his obvious abilities to assist Starmer in times like today. Furthermore if Labour can present a talented cabinet in the face of a Tory shambles it makes them a more electable party. Then bear in mind that Parliamentary competence faces off against shouty buffoonery the Tories damage themselves.

Starmer is a lawyer and intellectual, Boris is a chancer ex-journalist and we can all see the difference. He should be able to pick that apart with ease but they have to do it right.

Let's face it, the Tories aren't where they are because they are clever or have better ideas. They chanced their policies to get into power but now they are actually having to do something they are failing.

This is where Starmer can capitalise, he just needs to regain Labour's credibility and remove the protest movement image. No-one will vote for a protest movement but with what's going on today they will vote for something that is both credible and sensible.

 

[Fame Monster]

I'd say the other actual countries that make up the union ought to be seen as very much part of British culture too. Yet we're talking about a song and we're talking about Labour being seen as the "anti British" party whilst the current Tory government prepares to throw the people of NI under the bus and probably wave goodbye to Scotland forever. He's dismantling Britain.

He can shell out swathes of the British people's money in untendered contracts to his cronies. He can watch the country fall apart around him. He can denigrate large sections of the British public. He can lie to the queen to get what he wants. He can shred Britain's reputation on the world stage. He can tell British people to needlessly put themselves at risk during a deadly pandemic whilst doing sod all to protect them. He can do all that because some idiots believe all that's needed to prove your Britishness is to ride a zip wire whilst waving a paper union jack. He is not pro British. He works directly against the interests of the British people. He is pro Boris and that's it.

Anyone that chooses to fixate on the Labour Party as being anti British right now needs to get a grip and looks at what has happened in this country over the past 10 years and what is happening right now.

I don't disagree with some of your other points but the reality is, there is a perception now that Labour are hostile to Britishness and that they need to become more patriotic in order to win elections. That's not just me who thinks that but if you look at the countless reports into the 2019 election defeat, and many of the things acknowledged by current Labour MPs in the aftermath of the election defeat, you will find the same things said there.

The only people who don't think this is a problem tend to be the Corbyn supporters. And the fact they thought he would become Prime Minister and appeal to the working class of this country in the first place means they don't have a fucking clue about what the average man or woman thinks on issues like the Proms situation therefore they're in no position to be giving lectures on it.

 

[blueinsa]

Starmer is a lawyer and intellectual, Boris is a chancer ex-journalist and we can all see the difference. He should be able to pick that apart with ease but they have to do it right.

Let's face it, the Tories aren't where they are because they are clever or have better ideas. They chanced their policies to get into power but now they are actually having to do something they are failing.

This is where Starmer can capitalise, he just needs to regain Labour's credibility and remove the protest movement image. No-one will vote for a protest movement but with what's going on today they will vote for something that is both credible and sensible.

Which is why the sit back and let your enemy make their mistakes tactic simply will not work. Labour and Starmer has to give a credible alternative and the electorate needs to know policy.

 

[mexico1970]

Starmer is a lawyer and intellectual, Boris is a chancer ex-journalist and we can all see the difference. He should be able to pick that apart with ease but they have to do it right.

Let's face it, the Tories aren't where they are because they are clever or have better ideas. They chanced their policies to get into power but now they are actually having to do something they are failing.

This is where Starmer can capitalise, he just needs to regain Labour's credibility and remove the protest movement image. No-one will vote for a protest movement but with what's going on today they will vote for something that is both credible and sensible.

Spot on post pal, as long as Starmer removes the politicians who belong in a vague protest party instead of government and comes up with solid policies he's win it by a landslide IMO.

His only real enemy is his own party.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Spot on post pal, as long as Starmer removes the politicians who belong in a vague protest party instead of government and comes up with solid policies he's win it by a landslide IMO.

His only real enemy is his own party.

Yeah.

The problem with the labour Party is the Party itself.

 

[blueinsa]

Yeah.

The problem with the labour Party is the Party itself.

Like remain did against leave, Labour managed to lose an almost guaranteed win against a government in utter fucking turmoil because it was too busy eating itself from within and trying to please anyone other than their core support it would seem.

If Starmer makes the same mistakes again then there is no helping him!

 

[The perfect fumble]

Like remain did against leave, Labour managed to lose an almost guaranteed win against a government in utter fucking turmoil because it was too busy eating itself from within and trying to please anyone other than their core support it would seem.

If Starmer makes the same mistakes again then there is no helping him!

You mean if the party does.

If the electorate don't want a Labour government, then it doesn't want a Labour government.

Right now Starmer has a better approval rating than Johnson, but his party does not. All the indications are that if there were a general election tomorrow the Tories would win.

So the only conclusion one can come to is that the electorate want a Tory government led by Starmer, or someone very much like him, and in good time before the next election, the Tories will find someone like him to replace Johnson and you'll be happy.

Parties don't have a god given right to exist, ask the Liberals. if Labour no longer has traction with the electorate, that's just the way of it.

Changing in to a new party, like New Labour, never works for the long haul, it's just a graft, the party rejects it after a time because it's alien to it.

We might well be seeing the death of the Labour Party, it's moribund in Scotland and if it wants it's red wall back it'll piss off its metropolitan young.

The cluster fuck that is Johnson and Covid has given cover to just how screwed the Labour Party is, but that won't last.

 

[Vic]

I don't disagree with some of your other points but the reality is, there is a perception now that Labour are hostile to Britishness and that they need to become more patriotic in order to win elections. That's not just me who thinks that but if you look at the countless reports into the 2019 election defeat, and many of the things acknowledged by current Labour MPs in the aftermath of the election defeat, you will find the same things said there.

The only people who don't think this is a problem tend to be the Corbyn supporters. And the fact they thought he would become Prime Minister and appeal to the working class of this country in the first place means they don't have a fucking clue about what the average man or woman thinks on issues like the Proms situation therefore they're in no position to be giving lectures on it.

"The Proms Situation"?

I'll put that in with "The Suez Crisis" and "The South Sea Bubble" in the history hole. Meanwhile the international reputation of Britain is being diminished.

 

[Rascal]

We might well be seeing the death of the Labour Party, it's moribund in Scotland and if it wants it's red wall back it'll piss off its metropolitan young.

The Labour party is finished, I honestly cant see myself voting for Labour again whilst Starmer is in charge and those treasonous twats remain in the party. I would never vote Tory, would wear a rag shirt before I voted for them and I despise the Lib Dems nearly as much as the Tories.

I live in a Tory safe seat, so probably wont bother voting for the first time in my life unless there is somebody standing from the CPGB

 

[The perfect fumble]

The Labour party is finished, I honestly cant see myself voting for Labour again whilst Starmer is in charge and those treasonous twats remain in the party. I would never vote Tory, would wear a rag shirt before I voted for them and I despise the Lib Dems nearly as much as the Tories.

I live in a Tory safe seat, so probably wont bother voting for the first time in my life unless there is somebody standing from the CPGB

I find it mildly amusing that the blairites in the Guardian are screaming for Starmer to set out his vision for an alternative government, find allies, wherever! To free us of this dreadful government! So that things can only get better!

Arseholes.

After what they and the fucking Tory lite bastards in the PLP did to Labour, they can go fuck themselves.

Sometimes when you pulverise something with the intention of remoulding it in your own image, all you do is crush it beyond remaking.