Keir Starmer

[mat]

What I’d actually like to see is both the main parties split, overhaul the whole system and move to proportional representation.

Never going to happen, but I do think we’re at the point a complete overhaul is needed.

Sadly there's no party brave enough to say in their term they'll do it as it's seen as giving up their own power.

 

[meltonblue]

Sadly there's no party brave enough to say in their term they'll do it as it's seen as giving up their own power.

Exactly.

The problem is the longer it’s left, it only gets worse. We’re pretty fucked for a while yet as we’re still on the getting dumber spiral as a consequence.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

"Jezza" wanted to remain.

The others, Starmer and co, wanted to leave as he was scathing of the EU, personally.

Since Labour is supposed to be democratic party Corbyn conceded to the party.

I wish people would stop lying about what happened here.

Jezza wanted to remain?
He certainly wanted to remain Labour chief, but if you think Corbyn wanted
to stay in the EU, then you're totally wrong, he's been against it all his life.
If this is what you're saying, your post is a bit obscure, if you didn't mean that,
my apologies.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Sadly there's no party brave enough to say in their term they'll do it as it's seen as giving up their own power.

Yup, why would the Conservative party change what they have now? Scotland abandoning Labour for the SNP assures that it is impossible for Labour to return a thumping majority in an election from now on. Only way Labour forms a government is with help from other parties.

 

[Rascal]

Yup, why would the Conservative party change what they have now? Scotland abandoning Labour for the SNP assures that it is impossible for Labour to return a thumping majority in an election from now on. Only way Labour forms a government is with help from other parties.

I would have to check the numbers but i think it is a bit of a myth propogated by the media to stopL abour and the Tarten Tories going into coalition. Remember the posters of Miliband in Salmonds/Sturgeons top pocket.

Blair formed a government and still would have done without Scottish MPs, i am sure of it.

 

[Bigga]

Jezza wanted to remain?
He certainly wanted to remain Labour chief, but if you think Corbyn wanted
to stay in the EU, then you're totally wrong, he's been against it all his life.
If this is what you're saying, your post is a bit obscure, if you didn't mean that,
my apologies.

I suppose it does look a bit obscure, but Corbyn HATED the EU with a passion. I think his notion was that they take more than they give.

He went with the party's democracy to leave, whilst it was not his personal view.

I was, pretty much, with him on it for different reasons.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I suppose it does look a bit obscure, but Corbyn HATED the EU with a passion.

Correct, and it's all on record, him wanting out is not in question.

He went with the party's democracy to leave, whilst it was not his personal view.

I'm afraid that makes no sense at all, you're saying he went with the party's
democracy to leave. The party tried running with the hare and the hounds, by
negotiating 'A good deal' then, ludicrously, recommending their voters reject it.
Then you say leaving was not his personal view, whilst telling us above that he hated the EU.
I can see why you vote labour;)

 

[TheBlueDune]

What I’d actually like to see is both the main parties split, overhaul the whole system and move to proportional representation.

Never going to happen, but I do think we’re at the point a complete overhaul is needed.

I'd like a first step to be reform of the lords.
PR of membership based close to national general election voting (with a minimum share to get a seat otherwise loony party has someone dressed as a kipper with a crown and ermine cloak).
PR would give an elected body broadly based on views of electorate, who would have some influence on MPs.
Could encourage voting by the "not worth bothering" people. Everybody's vote would contribute.
Number of representatives at a sensible number. Phase out of hereditary members and bishops.

Meanwhile the Speaker should make the PM answer the question in PMQ as said by Rascal.
Or stop broadcasting PMQ.

 

[Bigga]

Correct, and it's all on record, him wanting out is not in question.

I'm afraid that makes no sense at all, you're saying he went with the party's
democracy to leave. The party tried running with the hare and the hounds, by
negotiating 'A good deal' then, ludicrously, recommending their voters reject it.
Then you say leaving was not his personal view, whilst telling us above that he hated the EU.
I can see why you vote labour;)

Okay, what I posted was tiredness as I'd had a hypo earlier in the morning at 0430.

We KNOW Labour, with Starmer and co, wanted to REMAIN in the EU and Corbyn wanted to LEAVE it.

So, Corbyn wanted the OPPOSITE his party's democratic view.

Is that okay now?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Scotland isn’t a region.

I didn’t say it was.

The country is Great Britain and Northern Ireland, there are a load of different regions within that. Scotland has a few regions, Northern Ireland has a few, Wales has a few, and a few more in England.