Keir Starmer

What the fuck am I watching on BBC? They‘ve now given up on any impartiality and gone balls deep on attacking Kier Starmer.

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The Future’s Blue! said:
What the fuck am I watching on BBC? They‘ve now given up on any impartiality and gone balls deep on attacking Kier Starmer.

But ...
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Cummings is preparing his speeches for Wednesday. Hancock has been summoned to parliament to discuss the governments fuck up on the Indian variant. They need to stick some shit on Keith to push them of the news agenda.

I don't think they'll need pushing too far to find it to be honest.
 
hilts said:
Many good points, rail travel has always been a grey area for me, the state may provide roads but I wouldn’t expect a free car. Free rail travel would be a step too far. Bringing the service gradually back into public ownership is probably the right thing to do as long as it’s done well.
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Thanks, why not make it free? What argument is there against it?

I would make all public transport free at the point of use, I could then sell my car as I rarely use it anyway and prefer public transport, it is just that the profit motive means that profit comes before services and my local bus service has been cut right back. Improve the service and I use it. Make it free and I use it every time.

You do not have a free car, but you are free to walk and cycle on the road. If there are less cars, the environment improves, the roads have less traffic, you need less parking, I am not anti car, they have a place of course, but I am pro public transport. If you took a million car journeys a week away from Manchester, think of the difference in air quality, noise, aesthetics. It would also increase productivity as roads would be less congested and vital road haulage would move quicker.
 
mat said:
Cummings is preparing his speeches for Wednesday. Hancock has been summoned to parliament to discuss the governments fuck up on the Indian variant. They need to stick some shit on Keith to push them of the news agenda.

I don't think they'll need pushing too far to find it to be honest.
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Very noticeable the editorial detail in a supposedly impartial public broadcaster.
 
Rascal said:
Thanks, why not make it free? What argument is there against it?

I would make all public transport free at the point of use, I could then sell my car as I rarely use it anyway and prefer public transport, it is just that the profit motive means that profit comes before services and my local bus service has been cut right back. Improve the service and I use it. Make it free and I use it every time.

You do not have a free car, but you are free to walk and cycle on the road. If there are less cars, the environment improves, the roads have less traffic, you need less parking, I am not anti car, they have a place of course, but I am pro public transport. If you took a million car journeys a week away from Manchester, think of the difference in air quality, noise, aesthetics. It would also increase productivity as roads would be less congested and vital road haulage would move quicker.
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Policy needs to be equitable to the whole country; to use your road analogy if you wish to walk or bike on the road you are literally free to do so; it doesn’t cost you a brass tack. Want to use a car or motorbike? You pay taxes. Those taxes go to the upkeep of the system. The majority of people in rural parts of the country have no public transport yet would be expected to contribute so city folk can travel for free?!?!! They’ll march (they’ll walk as won’t be able to get the bus or train because there aren’t any) on the cities with pitchforks in hand.

And don’t tell me we will provide buses to these places. If I want to visit my aunt Ethel who lives in a village 10 miles from mine it’ll take an hour and a half on a bus as it goes all over the countryside collecting folk. It simply doesn’t work outside the metropolitan areas of the country. You city dwellers can pay more taxes for free buses if you like and when us simple country folk come on our annual pilgrimage to the great concrete jungles and point in awe at the feat of it all; we can ride your buses for free...and steal your women ;)

Don’t Socialist revolutions historically start in the countrysides my friend? Probably best you don’t go upsetting them if you want one!
 
metalblue said:
Policy needs to be equitable to the whole country; to use your road analogy if you wish to walk or bike on the road you are literally free to do so; it doesn’t cost you a brass tack. Want to use a car or motorbike? You pay taxes. Those taxes go to the upkeep of the system. The majority of people in rural parts of the country have no public transport yet would be expected to contribute so city folk can travel for free?!?!! They’ll march (they’ll walk as won’t be able to get the bus or train because there aren’t any) on the cities with pitchforks in hand.

And don’t tell me we will provide buses to these places. If I want to visit my aunt Ethel who lives in a village 10 miles from mine it’ll take an hour and a half on a bus as it goes all over the countryside collecting folk. It simply doesn’t work outside the metropolitan areas of the country. You city dwellers can pay more taxes for free buses if you like and when us simple country folk come on our annual pilgrimage to the great concrete jungles and point in awe at the feat of it all; we can ride your buses for free...and steal your women ;)

Don’t Socialist revolutions historically start in the countrysides my friend? Probably best you don’t go upsetting them if you want one!
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Fair points, although policy maybe does not need to be equitable now we have metro mayors. As an advocate for more devolution to the regions then maybe in Manchester it could be decided to offer free travel, in rural area's they may wish to spend money differently, perhaps on mobile libraries, mobile shops, what ever the people decide. They may wish to have free buses and I would support that. I would support expansion of rail and support free rail for rural areas too although accept it may mean they have to drive to the station.

I do think that this country is too centralised and that is coming from a statist, we need more power to local people to decide what is best for their needs and not have it as diktat from an over powerful centralised source based in London.
 
Rascal said:
Fair points, although policy maybe does not need to be equitable now we have metro mayors. As an advocate for more devolution to the regions then maybe in Manchester it could be decided to offer free travel, in rural area's they may wish to spend money differently, perhaps on mobile libraries, mobile shops, what ever the people decide. They may wish to have free buses and I would support that. I would support expansion of rail and support free rail for rural areas too although accept it may mean they have to drive to the station.

I do think that this country is too centralised and that is coming from a statist, we need more power to local people to decide what is best for their needs and not have it as diktat from an over powerful centralised source based in London.
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I fully agree with your last paragraph. I would go further and remove national pay settlements for the public sector. It is no coincidence that hospitals on the coast tend to struggle filling vacancies as their catchment area is 50% that of non coastal areas. Let them pay more to attract staff, it might even help the local economy. It seems arbitrary that there is London weighting, why not any other city? what’s so lardy dah about London?

I don’t think you could implement a system that is too fragmented though mate where it’s a bit of a free for all. It will always be that the tax take from a city will outweigh that of pockets of the countryside, even if you said £1000 per household to try for equitable distribution however the purchasing power of Edale would be trumped by a single street in Manchester, the only way would be through a huge imbalance where each household in Manchester would get a tenner and out in the countryside it would be multiples higher.

On buses. I suppose you could give zonal free bus travel and beyond that you pay a fare albeit subsidised? Maybe setup transportation hubs in the countryside where a small mini bus collects and drops people off to, then a proper bus takes them to the city ...that might work but the frequency would need to be there for it to be a valid option and stop the country folk raising the cities to the ground in anger.
 
It's all well and good if he's modeling himself like Biden.

But that won't work here as the media will ignore him and treat him as being irrelevant.

Politics has been turned Into showbiz in this country sadly. Boris is a **** but has the box office our media crave.

Starmer has...?
 
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