Keir Starmer

I get that, but for many people (not me, I'm talking in general) the gesture is intrinsically linked to the #BLM uk movement and that is political, with aims such as defund the police, smash capitalism and close prisons.

So I still say he was wrong to do it and his poll rating and even the Hartlepool by-election result may have been effected by it.
Swallowed the whole Daily Mail spiel there my friend.

Can you set up your own thread to discuss your views as that's two now you've sidetracked over the actual thread discussions.
 
Swallowed the whole Daily Mail spiel there my friend.

Can you set up your own thread to discuss your views as that's two now you've sidetracked over the actual thread discussions.
Please read my post again, I said: ...for many people/not me.

But seeing as you mentioned the Daily Mail, it is the second biggest selling newspaper in the UK and consequently he was asking for trouble with his 'gesture'. It might have seemed a good idea at the time, but I reckon his current advisors (dress smart, be more patriotic) would have cautioned him against making it.
 
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Sir Keir's job is to maintain perpetual Tory rule.
Doing well so far then
 
Just read on twitter (yes i know its twitter) that Keith is getting ready to walk, it is highly likely Labour lose Batley and Spen which will be as bad if not worse than losing Hartlepool.

If he walks what happens next, the centrists will hissy, the media will be aghast, the left emboldened , the membership mostly celebrating, Corbyn back in the party.

I wonder what odds on next leader are, who is fit to be leader. Nobody stands out to me, the right will back Cooper, the left back to supporting Rebecca and we could end up with Jess Phillips.

On the plus side Hodge might finally take up her threat of leaving the party, hopefully for good and maybe take Ryan with her.

In the shadows though lurks Blair, what price a resurrection ....Even newer Labour, things can only get madder.
 
Just read on twitter (yes i know its twitter) that Keith is getting ready to walk, it is highly likely Labour lose Batley and Spen which will be as bad if not worse than losing Hartlepool.

If he walks what happens next, the centrists will hissy, the media will be aghast, the left emboldened , the membership mostly celebrating, Corbyn back in the party.

I wonder what odds on next leader are, who is fit to be leader. Nobody stands out to me, the right will back Cooper, the left back to supporting Rebecca and we could end up with Jess Phillips.

On the plus side Hodge might finally take up her threat of leaving the party, hopefully for good and maybe take Ryan with her.

In the shadows though lurks Blair, what price a resurrection ....Even newer Labour, things can only get madder.
Lavery will be a candidate. Witnessed him at a meeting last week making the blarites in there uncomfortable. The more I think about it what he said the more it sounded like a leadership pitch.
 
Lavery will be a candidate. Witnessed him at a meeting last week making the blarites in there uncomfortable. The more I think about it what he said the more it sounded like a leadership pitch.

Hasn't Lavery got a dodgy loan from a miners pension fund or compensation fund lurking in his past? If so then the RW Press will just be handed another feeding frenzy
 
Hasn't Lavery got a dodgy loan from a miners pension fund or compensation fund lurking in his past? If so then the RW Press will just be handed another feeding frenzy
Whoever from the Left of Labour will be attacked by the media if they become leader. If they haven't got anything concrete, they will just make stuff up anyway.

Its weird ain't it, Johnson does all sorts of stuff that a Labour leader would be crucified for, but we are told to move on, nothing to see here. Ed Miliband eats a bacon butty and its the apocalypse.

Lavery would be a good choice, the Blairites would be in a state of derangement, the media will call him a Marxist and liken him to Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il and Castro rolled into one and the Capitalists will threaten to move en masse to where they have hid all their ill gotten gains from the Taxman.
 

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