Keir Starmer

[Mike D]

There's a difference between Boris Johnson saying 'the working class are feckless' and then promising policies that they want (on Brexit etc) and then Thornberry, Lewis et al (who've made similar remarks) but promising policies that the working class, by and large, do not want.

I think the 2019 result shows the working class aren't as thick as you make out (Brexit supporting towns voting for Brexit supporting parties) although that's not to say Johnson won't renege on a lot of his promises that he's made to them.

Have you not read the shit Johnson written about the working class about single parents etc? Like I said he is living proof people are dumb enough to believe you if you have the right ruthless **** character. She has it in spades

 

[hilts]

Because you don't like her that's what you mean?

I want a good opposition but our views on what that is is obviously different but if I say she isn’t very likeable then obviously I don’t like her.

 

[Blue Hefner]

So ‘working class’ people will vote for a posh Tory but not a posh Labour candidate?

Tory’s feel they are born to rule and act like it. And I think the population falls for it, given a helping hand by the Express, Sun, Mail etc.

Whilst the Tory sense of entitlement is a little sickening, it works. There’s isn’t a candidate out there who is the perfect fit, any and all will be put through the media mill for the next 5 years so it’s pointless worrying about that - they need someone who looks like they belong. Who can act the part of PM-in-waiting and if they are seen as part of the ‘establishment’ then so what, the media and their mates are hardly going to be any more welcoming to an ‘outsider’ are they?

Without knowing too much about him, I’d say Stamer is the most likely to be PM in the future. Can you really see Long-Bailey, Burgeon and the like on the world stage?

 

[bluejon]

The problem with Keynes and Labour is they love the spending in hard times but can never put aside while the sun shines. I think they call it Keynes part II whatever the circumstance tax and borrow. Can’t help themselves.

Fully agreed. You tighten your belts to save up when things are good

 

[hilts]

Fully agreed. You tighten your belts to save up when things are good

Its the problem with elections and in fairness the public. Let’s take a chance that no recession or downturn is around the corner. Splash the cash with election promises. Hard to do long term planning when you need votes every few years.

 

[plongo]

She is a lawyer and would wipe the floor with you me and that shit house Johnson

Lacking soft skills, both of you

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

But surely the point of getting the deficit down was to reduce the debt, and that hasn't happened, the debt has gone up. All the promises Osbourne and then Hammond made about where the economy would be as a result of austerity have been shown to be bollocks, it hasn't worked. I don't believe the deficit has gone down in real terms either. You only have to look at the way the conservatives calculate their employment figures to realise their figures on pretty much anything are complete bullshit.

The classic way to reduce a deficit as safely as possible involves a mix of three main actions. Obviously some cuts to spending is one, increasing revenue via tax increases is another and increasing productivity, which increases the tax take and provides a stimulus is the third. Osborne did the first but cut far too much and depressed growth. Ideology (and economic illiteracy) wouldn't allow him to do the second and we've never achieved the third. So we're still in a bit of an economic rut because of that.

 

[bluejon]

The classic way to reduce a deficit as safely as possible involves a mix of three main actions. Obviously some cuts to spending is one, increasing revenue via tax increases is another and increasing productivity, which increases the tax take and provides a stimulus is the third. Osborne did the first but cut far too much and depressed growth. Ideology (and economic illiteracy) wouldn't allow him to do the second and we've never achieved the third. So we're still in a bit of an economic rut because of that.

I'm going to argue that point one is wrong, and this is of course completely theoretical. In terms of government, when the shit has hit the fan in the free market, an injection of capital expenditure from the public sector is what i'd argue, in our theoretical football forum economic scenario. To be fair though, it's not the first time they've fucked up in this regard. Some chancellor called winston churchill made exactly the same mistake in the 30s. Leopards. Spots. All that.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Because you don't like her that's what you mean?

There is absolutely no chance Thornberry would firstly become the labour leader and secondly win a GE. She just isn't that likeable. That is a fact.

 

[xgorton]

There is absolutely no chance Thornberry would firstly become the labour leader and secondly win a GE. She just isn't that likeable. That is a fact.

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