Keir Starmer

There is absolutely no chance Thornberry would firstly become the labour leader and secondly win a GE. She just isn't that likeable. That is a fact.

Sorry and you are the oracle on this all and the political sage which think tank is it that you run now?
 
I don't think you, as a collective, will ever learn, the electorate you describe was mocked and ridiculed by Thornberry
and her ilk, constantly belittling Brexit voters, sneering at the working class, and avidly supporting the character that is
Corbyn. The other alternatives being offered are even less attractive, Long Bailey and Lewis are two more far left nutters
who will still be regaling us with the same tired, bankrupt socialist nonsense that has contributed in no small manner to
the electoral wipe out you've just witnessed. Whenever anyone suggests a Blairite leader, the cult immediately leaps to
denigrate and ridicule, yet the wider voting public wants this type, unfortunately for you, the members, no matter how many
of them, have done for the Labour party.

If you are infering to the comments made on flag waving simpletons then she is guilty but lets not forget what our newly elected PM said about Liverpool

Johnson prompted widespread indignation in the city in 2004 when the Spectator accused the city of wallowing in “victim status” over the murder of” Ken Bigley in Iraq and the 1989 Hillsborough football stadium disaster.
and then

Boris Johnson described the children of single mothers as “ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate” in a newly unearthed article which Labour has claimed shows the prime minister’s “dark-age” attitudes towards women.

If that's not sneering then I don't know what is. The point is the general public forget all this otherwise Johnson wouldn't be PM would he?
 
And if evidence for it being a requirement is needed, I give you one Theresa May. Void of any charisma or "x-factor" and abjectly awful as a PM - one of the worst we have ever had.
Fuck - what a sad period of our parliamentary history that appointment reflected
 
And how would you know this about her do you know her personally?

Well she called an entire northern constituency thick for supporting Brexit.

Even as someone who thinks Brexit is a bad idea, it’s an appalling thing to say and the type of mindset that lost the referendum and that then lost the General Election.
 
I agree with the theory but not with your conclusions.

Osborne did the first, obviously but he was limited in how much of the second he could have done or that would have taken too much spending power out of the economy and depressed things further. But he did some tax raises. The higher rate band was reduced, fir example and NI was increased IIRC.

Moreover he did achieve growth. The economy turned around sharply and was in recovery and growing faster than the rest of Europe in the early parts of this decade. Perhaps we should have eased off on austerity a little sooner, I don't know.
I said productivity not growth. Brown's actions saved the financial system and growth was always going to come once that was stable. GDP growth is certainly part of the equation but productivity is also crucial and that's barely changed. I agree that you have to be very careful how you play your hand in managing a recession and deficit. But it's clear that Osborne didn't play his very well. His actions sucked private demand out of the economy and didn't replace it with growth increasing public spending.
 
But forgive me for stating obvious but just because you don't like doesn't mean that the general public won't ? I can't stand Johnson but he is our PM but the majority of the general public do because they have just voted him in on a landslide.
I dont think they do, its as much that they all hated Corbyn
 

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