Keir Starmer

urban genie said:
Unite to remove funding down to about a million a year as an affiliate.

Some record as a leader to lose thousands of members and your main financial backer.

Oh well starmer can whore the party out to billionaires and lobbyists of choice.
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Whore the party out, to who?

Thank fuck he’s trying to bring the opposition party together and not thinking about the in-fighting that’s been going on.

When you have a public who are right of centre then you’ve got to stay close and influence to affect change.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
When you have a public who are right of centre then you’ve got to stay close and influence to affect change.
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This is a political misnomer. Polls consistently show huge support for the NHS, nationalised rail, better public services, all of which are leftish of centre causes. Even taxation shows the country is not as RW as people think because people are happy to pay for the services they receive. The only issue the RW have clear leads on is immigration which is no surprise given the negative coverage in the media and the hysteria surrounding dinghies. The EU isn't really a party political issue as the work of Geography Prof Danny Dorling proved in his research. The RW rely on banging on about the economy and the are still using the worldwide crash of 2008 as a stick to beat Labour with and an excuse to shrink the state. Its smoke and mirrors neo-liberalisation of the UK under the guise of austerity. Only around 35% of the electorate voted for the Tory party and that is the real issue, we are governed by a minority for a minority. It was one of the reasons why Corbyn was ostracised as he was a threat to the hegemony of the RW because the RW knew his brand of leftist populism was dangerous to their hegemony and it had to be stopped, because there money making schemes would have been compromised.

Labour needs to use its political capital to pull the Overton window leftwards, not help as in Starmer's case to concrete the current positions as the political norm.
 
Rascal said:
This is a political misnomer. Polls consistently show huge support for the NHS, nationalised rail, better public services, all of which are leftish of centre causes. Even taxation shows the country is not as RW as people think because people are happy to pay for the services they receive. The only issue the RW have clear leads on is immigration which is no surprise given the negative coverage in the media and the hysteria surrounding dinghies. The EU isn't really a party political issue as the work of Geography Prof Danny Dorling proved in his research. The RW rely on banging on about the economy and the are still using the worldwide crash of 2008 as a stick to beat Labour with and an excuse to shrink the state. Its smoke and mirrors neo-liberalisation of the UK under the guise of austerity. Only around 35% of the electorate voted for the Tory party and that is the real issue, we are governed by a minority for a minority. It was one of the reasons why Corbyn was ostracised as he was a threat to the hegemony of the RW because the RW knew his brand of leftist populism was dangerous to their hegemony and it had to be stopped, because there money making schemes would have been compromised.

Labour needs to use its political capital to pull the Overton window leftwards, not help as in Starmer's case to concrete the current positions as the political norm.
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I think you may misunderstand how the Overton window shifts. "Politicians respond to the public’s definition of the window, not the other way around."
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Vote Labour
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Unfortunately (and I've put it into this thread because I actually feel sorry for Keir Starmer) not enough people will, whilst Angela Rayner is on the scene. She is just too toxic to your average voter.

If Labour and I mean proper Labour ever want to get into power again this is what needs to happen: the left of the party needs to become almost invisible, let Keir do his thing and maybe win as a sort-of 2020s Tony Blair (without the foreign wars, hopefully) then when he is Prime Minister they can come out of the background and fight for what they believe in.

To do so whilst in opposition is just never going to work. That Labour are not streets ahead in the polls after the crap and corruption and mistakes and bumbling and clown-like leadership from the tories, these last two years, is proof of that and of my earlier comment about Angela Rayner.

He should have sacked her after she made that 'scum' comment and then he might have had a chance of winning in 2023 (or 2024). Now she is going to be front and centre in the run-up to the next general election and that will make the Labour Party unelectable, in so many peoples' eyes.
 
Jasonrobards83 said:
Unfortunately (and I've put it into this thread because I actually feel sorry for Keir Starmer) not enough people will, whilst Angela Rayner is on the scene. She is just too toxic to your average voter.

If Labour and I mean proper Labour ever want to get into power again this is what needs to happen: the left of the party needs to become almost invisible, let Keir do his thing and maybe win as a sort-of 2020s Tony Blair (without the foreign wars, hopefully) then when he is Prime Minister they can come out of the background and fight for what they believe in.

To do so whilst in opposition is just never going to work. That Labour are not streets ahead in the polls after the crap and corruption and mistakes and bumbling and clown-like leadership from the tories, these last two years, is proof of that and of my earlier comment about Angela Rayner.

He should have sacked her after she made that 'scum' comment and then he might have had a chance of winning in 2023 (or 2024). Now she is going to be front and centre in the run-up to the next general election and that will make the Labour Party unelectable, in so many peoples' eyes.
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As long as enough people get more upset about her allegedly chewing gum in Parliament than the Tories wasting tens of billions on corruptly giving contracts to their mates then you’re probably right.
 
west didsblue said:
As long as enough people get more upset about her allegedly chewing gum in Parliament than the Tories wasting tens of billions on corruptly giving contracts to their mates then you’re probably right.
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A rather flippant response! You could have at least mentioned the outfit she wore whilst campaigning in Hartlepool: 'bovver boots and leopard skin leggings':

graziadaily.co.uk

Policing What Female Politicians Wear Is A Tactic To Undermine Them

The fuss over Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner's bovver boots and leopard trousers reveals the sexism at the heart of politics. Read more in Grazia.
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Seriously though, she shouldn't have labelled the Conservatives as “homophobic, racist, misogynistic … scum”, because in so doing she was in effect calling conservative voters 'homophobic, racist, misogynistic … scum' too.

That she only apologised after the sad death of MP David Amess (she initially stood by her comments) just compounded her error and made her look like a nasty, nasty person. This is such a political own goal as there are more than enough of those, on the other side of the divide.

It's like OGS at Man Utd. if she really does love her party (as he loved his club), she should step-down of her own volition.

Like that's ever going to happen - it didn't at OT!

#RIPSOO
 
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