Keir Starmer

All parties are increasingly selective about where they will stand and how much money and effort they will expend. Which particular seat in East London?

Waltham Forest council ward which elected 3 labour.
The council is about 3:1 Labour over Conservative, with the latter mostly Chingford area (Tebbit, IDS constituency).

The Wandsworth/Westminster votes are maybe significant because the entire council was elected, not just 1/3. In Westminster 1 in 3 Conservative seats changed hands.

Simple numbers aren't the whole story.
 
Surely not everyone in London is part of this ‘metropolitan elite’? The more interesting question for me is why does Labour appeal more to working people in London but less so to working people in other parts of the country?
In a word

BREXIT.
 
people aren’t going to accept voting for some kind or merged party though. As I said at local level the policies of Labour and Lib Dems are very different in lots of cases.

two separate parties. I’m not going to vote for a party I don’t like, just to stop the tories winning - especially not on local issues.

Labour should be winning anyway. They shouldn’t need tactical voting to have a chance
They are very different parties.

The Lib Dems especially the Orange Bookists are rabid free marketeers and socially liberal

Labour is or should be Socialist and culturally small c conservative.
 
Waltham Forest council ward which elected 3 labour.
The council is about 3:1 Labour over Conservative, with the latter mostly Chingford area (Tebbit, IDS constituency).

The Wandsworth/Westminster votes are maybe significant because the entire council was elected, not just 1/3. In Westminster 1 in 3 Conservative seats changed hands.

Simple numbers aren't the whole story.
Then they did stand in 2018. Came a distant third but didn’t win any seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Waltham_Forest_London_Borough_Council_election
 
In a word

NUANCE. ;-)

Can it really all be distilled to that?
Yes I believe it does, Brexit voting areas appear to have stayed away from Labour as they fear Starmer wants to rejoin, remain voting areas like London voted Labour because they want Starmer to endorse rejoin.
 
Then they did stand in 2018. Came a distant third but didn’t win any seats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Waltham_Forest_London_Borough_Council_election

I may have missed your point. I know they did in the past, and they stood in other wards this time too - just not mine.

It's a slightly ridiculous system that a ward ballot can have 3 people from each party and you get three votes. It's odds-on to be 3-0 for one party or other.
The Green candidate got more than all 3 Conservatives put together.
 
Think last night sums up the disconnect between the Labour party and the voters it used to represent.

Has that been because the population has shifted perspective over the past few decades? Sure, but I think to support left leaning values politically you have to have local buy-in, and in previous generations that was jobs for local people, a big employer the community lived around and was theirs, traditional family units with traditional values and social structures, public services that worked or the community worked on and a sense of community.

Now, a lot of places have lost several of the above at a minimum so the checks and balances on a more primitive instinct are removed, the social structures and norms have been eradicated over the past 50 years. Some would call that profress, but then bemoan why the country has gone down the toilet. People determine what it means to be "British" as their identity, rather than what it means to be part of their community which is their manifestation of being British. It becomes ideological, rather than value driven.

Those results really are a condemnation of Labour because they should be sweeping the board across the country if they were in tune with their former core supporter base. Instead, they are in tune with ideologues and, to be fair to them, certain minority groups who have a sense of community.

I think it's just an unfortunate summation of where we're at. At this rate, Lib Dem will split the Labour/Tory vote next time around and we will end up with another Tory government. And even the most ardent Tory can't argue that serious damage has been done to the country in the past decade.

Unfortunately, the general population is right of where Labour are willing to go, and it's gone there because the checks and balances in society have been done away with, so there's no buy-in. People are more unwilling to buy into something new that's less good than they what was taken away from them.
 
Yes I believe it does, Brexit voting areas appear to have stayed away from Labour as they fear Starmer wants to rejoin, remain voting areas like London voted Labour because they want Starmer to endorse rejoin.
Yet Hull, a solid Leave city, went to the Liberal Democrats, and they’ve adopted a more ‘pro-European Union‘ aligned position than Labour. Not saying you’re wrong, just that my crystal ball is cloudy.
 

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