people aren’t going to accept voting for some kind or merged party though. As I said at local level the policies of Labour and Lib Dems are very different in lots of cases.
two separate parties. I’m not going to vote for a party I don’t like, just to stop the tories winning - especially not on local issues.
Labour should be winning anyway. They shouldn’t need tactical voting to have a chance
Spot on I think. The Tories have found a way (brexit?) To appeal to people outside of their natural core vote (red wall) while labour/starmer can't even work out what their core is.Think last night sums up the disconnect between the Labour party and the voters it used to represent.
Has that been because the population has shifted perspective over the past few decades? Sure, but I think to support left leaning values politically you have to have local buy-in, and in previous generations that was jobs for local people, a big employer the community lived around and was theirs, traditional family units with traditional values and social structures, public services that worked or the community worked on and a sense of community.
Now, a lot of places have lost several of the above at a minimum so the checks and balances on a more primitive instinct are removed, the social structures and norms have been eradicated over the past 50 years. Some would call that profress, but then bemoan why the country has gone down the toilet. People determine what it means to be "British" as their identity, rather than what it means to be part of their community which is their manifestation of being British. It becomes ideological, rather than value driven.
Those results really are a condemnation of Labour because they should be sweeping the board across the country if they were in tune with their former core supporter base. Instead, they are in tune with ideologues and, to be fair to them, certain minority groups who have a sense of community.
I think it's just an unfortunate summation of where we're at. At this rate, Lib Dem will split the Labour/Tory vote next time around and we will end up with another Tory government. And even the most ardent Tory can't argue that serious damage has been done to the country in the past decade.
Unfortunately, the general population is right of where Labour are willing to go, and it's gone there because the checks and balances in society have been done away with, so there's no buy-in. People are more unwilling to buy into something new that's less good than they what was taken away from them.
I still think Cameron's first referendum (electoral reform) which threw out PR will prove to be as damaging as brexit. We were persuaded of the horrors of a 'hung parliament' to ensure twenty years of Tory govt :-(Who would you vote for then?
It’s seems that if we get close to the general election and it looks like the Tories will win again the opposition parties need to man up and do something about it. They only need to work together for one general election and put to one side their differences. Campaign on what they agree on. Get in change the voting system and then go there own way.
Wouldn’t affect local elections anyhow.
Yet Hull, a solid Leave city, went to the Liberal Democrats, and they’ve adopted a more ‘pro-European Union‘ aligned position than Labour. Not saying you’re wrong, just that my crystal ball is cloudy.
And potentially, people who'd turn out to swing a Brexit vote not being interested by local politics. Have to factor that into these results.Hull may not tell much, as a couple of seats was all that was needed to swing a balanced council.
The voted seats from 11-1-7 to 9-0-10. (Lab/Con/LD)
The overall seats went from 29-1-26 to 27-0-29 (1 Ind)
It could well be clouded by local issues.
And potentially, people who'd turn out to swing a Brexit vote not being interested by local politics. Have to factor that into these results.
Good post that.Think last night sums up the disconnect between the Labour party and the voters it used to represent.
Has that been because the population has shifted perspective over the past few decades? Sure, but I think to support left leaning values politically you have to have local buy-in, and in previous generations that was jobs for local people, a big employer the community lived around and was theirs, traditional family units with traditional values and social structures, public services that worked or the community worked on and a sense of community.
Now, a lot of places have lost several of the above at a minimum so the checks and balances on a more primitive instinct are removed, the social structures and norms have been eradicated over the past 50 years. Some would call that profress, but then bemoan why the country has gone down the toilet. People determine what it means to be "British" as their identity, rather than what it means to be part of their community which is their manifestation of being British. It becomes ideological, rather than value driven.
Those results really are a condemnation of Labour because they should be sweeping the board across the country if they were in tune with their former core supporter base. Instead, they are in tune with ideologues and, to be fair to them, certain minority groups who have a sense of community.
I think it's just an unfortunate summation of where we're at. At this rate, Lib Dem will split the Labour/Tory vote next time around and we will end up with another Tory government. And even the most ardent Tory can't argue that serious damage has been done to the country in the past decade.
Unfortunately, the general population is right of where Labour are willing to go, and it's gone there because the checks and balances in society have been done away with, so there's no buy-in. People are more unwilling to buy into something new that's less good than they what was taken away from them.
That sort of scuppers the argument that solid leave areas are worried that a vote for Labour is a vote to rejoin the EU seeing as the only Tory lost his seat and the rest are split between the party that won't admit it wants to rejoin (but many people think it wants to) and the party that has rejoining in its manifesto.Hull may not tell much, as a couple of seats was all that was needed to swing a balanced council.
The voted seats from 11-1-7 to 9-0-10. (Lab/Con/LD)
The overall seats went from 29-1-26 to 27-0-29 (1 Ind)
It could well be clouded by local issues.
You can't really tell without knowing who voted where, but in the main, I don't really see how the majority of voters would consider local elections to have any relevance to our relationship with the EU, I don't think many would draw that connection.That sort of scuppers the argument that solid leave areas are worried that a vote for Labour is a vote to rejoin the EU seeing as the only Tory lost his seat and the rest are split between the party that won't admit it wants to rejoin (but many people think it wants to) and the party that has rejoining in its manifesto.