Keir Starmer

[MillionMilesAway]

That sort of scuppers the argument that solid leave areas are worried that a vote for Labour is a vote to rejoin the EU seeing as the only Tory lost his seat and the rest are split between the party that won't admit it wants to rejoin (but many people think it wants to) and the party that has rejoining in its manifesto.

Yes. I'm not convinced that Re-Join is a significant issue at local council level.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Labour is not gaining much ground in its traditional areas due to much of the electorate being conservative (with a small c) and Labour being perceived as the party of the "woke" and the "metropolitan elites" thanks to a concerted campaign by the right wing media. It is noticeable that Starmer is always referred to as "Sir Keir" in the likes of the Mail which seems to be a conscious effort to distance him from the working class by making out he's a bit posh. Conversely there's no shortage of coverage of the bumbling Eton toff spending his time cosplaying as a man of the people by dressing up in hard hats and high vis in factories and building sites whenever he gets the chance.

at the time of writing 76 of 149 councils have declared and thats England only - predictions half way through the first half rarely give an accurate prediction of the result

 

[blueinsa]

We have to stop playing the victim and blaming the media and demand that Labour starts to represent us again like it used to rather than just the metropolitan elite and what many perceive to be fringe groups.

The vast majority never read what the Mail has to say, it’s time to look closer to home.

 

[west didsblue]

We have to stop playing the victim and blaming the media and demand that Labour starts to represent us again like it used to rather than just the metropolitan elite and what many perceive to be fringe groups.

The vast majority never read what the Mail has to say, it’s time to look closer to home.

The fact you have used the “metropolitan elite” term sort of demonstrates my point.

 

[blueinsa]

The fact you have used the “metropolitan elite” term sort of demonstrates my point.

Thats exactly what they are and always have been.

They have nothing in common with me or my life or the vast majority of us.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Thats exactly what they are and always have been.

They have nothing in common with me or my life or the vast majority of us.

Perhaps might need to reconsider that, or you might be issuing another apology for foolishness in a few years :)

 

[blueinsa]

Perhaps might need to reconsider that, or you might be issuing another apology for foolishness in a few years :)

Don’t think I will.

They have nothing in common with the vast majority of us.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Don’t think I will.

They have nothing in common with the vast majority of us.

That’s quite an extreme statement. There are plenty of Labour party MPs from working class backgrounds with politics that are closer to your views.

Even someone to the left of your politics like Nadia Whittome donates half her parliamentary salary to charity and worked in social care during the pandemic (and donated her wages from that as well).

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Perhaps might need to reconsider that, or you might be issuing another apology for foolishness in a few years :)

Who's being foolish? He's spot on, as proven by the last GE and these local election results. Labour is becoming a centrist liberal talking shop rather than a labour movement and has lost touch with the majority of the voting population.

 

[threespires]

Thats exactly what they are and always have been.

They have nothing in common with me or my life or the vast majority of us.

Blueinsa, genuine questions to try and understand better what you are saying...

When you use the term metropolitan elite, who specifically are you referring to - the leadership of the labour party or a specific chunk of the electorate that you think the labour party are focusing too much on, or both?

And if it's a chunk of the electorate, broadly what type of people are you thinking of?

When you say 'always have been' is there a specific point or period when you think the labour party stopped representing ordinary people?